Water cooler

[parkour]

Here's the back of my 250EX.

The cord I linked to on eBay is identical the the one I got to connect my water cooler to the welder. I used the connector from a bad ATX supply as the power connector for the water cooler; thereby allowing me to use the power cord, unmodified.

[zoama]

Here's the back of my 250EX.

Thanks, there were no pics of the back at the Everlast store.

[hesstx]

Well got the black box in the other day Sure looks much like the Green one I did have a bit of a problem with the 220 plug on the back of the LX. You know the one that looks like PC power hook up. The black unit just has a 2 prong white generic plug that says 220 v on it. so I rigged up a plug since I have never seen a reverse one before. Took a old PC power inlet out and and modified it to plug into the ever last LX. everything is working well Except the cooler does not turn on and off with the powering up of the LX. I turn the cooler on on the cooler switch the cooler in plugged into the plug in on the lx when I turn the lx off the cooler still runs and I just have to turn it off manually. For some reason I thought the whole reason of plugging the cooler into the welder was to help control you on off that they would both work at the same time.
I dont think it will hurt anything and I can flip a switch. I kinda wish EL would have been quicker with there reply's The 100 I saved on the Black unit is great just would have been nice to have it plug and play.

Can anyone tell me why is it that an w18 that comes with the LX has no QC plugs on the water lines. But the w 20 I ordered and got from EL comes with them on the lines. I can not tell from the pics of the EL 300 cooler if it has QC hookups but the Black unit has the nipples that you hold the lines in place with a Small ### hose clamp .

Hope you can follow this I not always clear on what Im saying. thanks to 2 small Strokes about 10 years ago. At lest that's what I blame it on.

Both these units have to be coming from the same place or someone's brothers making one or the other, they are just 3 pubic hairs different from each other

I hope this dont upset anyone but are the Black and green related because even the 2 forums are the same layout Im not trying to get a debate of which is better as long as it works is all I want.
Thanks for all the help

Hess
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[performance]

Hesstx,
Your tone does seem a little hostile...maybe I am reading it wrong. That's fine, but you need to know there are reasons we are more expensive.

Look closer and you'll find more differences if you know what you are looking for, mainly in quality of components. There are at least two coolers produced that look the same...and yes water coolers come from several different factories...Many of the factories are not vertically integrated like they are here in the US...But there are two grades of the same cooler in appearance but with differences in construction. We use the more expensive grade of components. I won't go into all what they are, but there is a difference. It goes back to the basic construction and materials used and where. The cooler you have sounds as if its also isn't grounded and I would consider it a risk unless you grounded it properly when you rewired it. We can sell a cheaper cooler too, but we don't. Time will tell in the years to come. You won't find many if any complaints about ours.

The Everlast Coolers come with quick connect couplers and the nipples for the torch water lines as well that are color coded. That's worth nearly half of the difference you paid right there. We send the WP 18 torch out so people can hook to an existing cooler and adapt it as needed IF they wish just as you have done. The torches we send out are typically torches that people are ordering for our units...It means if they are ordering a watercooled torch from us then they usually have both one of our coolers and a welder in which case they have likely used the fittings with the cooler for their 18 series torch. Or if they don't then nothing lost and no frustration from the customer trying to search around for the right fittings.

So to sum up what I am saying: If you are interested in the lowest price, great. I hope the black cooler works for you...just don't use it in the sun since you'll likely end up with a water heater instead of a cooler. But if you want a better quality, then you'll have to pay for it. We don't charge that much to begin with, but someone is always going to provide a similar but cheaper version of something no matter the price.

[hesstx]

Hesstx,
Your tone does seem a little hostile...maybe I am reading it wrong. That's fine, but you need to know there are reasons we are more expensive.

Look closer and you'll find more differences if you know what you are looking for, mainly in quality of components. There are at least two coolers produced that look the same...and yes water coolers come from several different factories...Many of the factories are not vertically integrated like they are here in the US...But there are two grades of the same cooler in appearance but with differences in construction. We use the more expensive grade of components. I won't go into all what they are, but there is a difference. It goes back to the basic construction and materials used and where. The cooler you have sounds as if its also isn't grounded and I would consider it a risk unless you grounded it properly when you rewired it. We can sell a cheaper cooler too, but we don't. Time will tell in the years to come. You won't find many if any complaints about ours.

The Everlast Coolers come with quick connect couplers and the nipples for the torch water lines as well that are color coded. That's worth nearly half of the difference you paid right there. We send the WP 18 torch out so people can hook to an existing cooler and adapt it as needed IF they wish just as you have done. The torches we send out are typically torches that people are ordering for our units...It means if they are ordering a watercooled torch from us then they usually have both one of our coolers and a welder in which case they have likely used the fittings with the cooler for their 18 series torch. Or if they don't then nothing lost and no frustration from the customer trying to search around for the right fittings.

So to sum up what I am saying: If you are interested in the lowest price, great. I hope the black cooler works for you...just don't use it in the sun since you'll likely end up with a water heater instead of a cooler. But if you want a better quality, then you'll have to pay for it. We don't charge that much to begin with, but someone is always going to provide a similar but cheaper version of something no matter the price.

Wow Mark ah you sure seem a bit cold /Hostile. Than again as like always seems to happen on these sites as with Email you can often take what someone is saying wrong and that is what is happening on both side here!
Im new to all this. You say if I want better stuff than I have to pay more to get it? Wow I guess what you are saying is Red and Blue MUST be better because they want more $. We both know now days thats not always true.
I was merely asking questions ? I tend to come off the wrong way because of the Stroke and I mentioned that right off. so dont get your panties in a wad.
Again to be direct most of my confusion tended to result in the problem of being new and you all problems with this Show that was going on. Now I dont know anything about it or what it is/ was I merely wanted to buy a unit because I was told I would need one and the fact is I dont really Being a Newbie It will be awhile before I get to that point but wanted to do it right.
It brothers me when a Company or it owners feel they need to defend or out right attack anyone who questions the product.

I really believe we are both off some here.. I hope we become known to each other so we can read things and not get defensive with each other. Do I have a problem with EL NO!! do I think you communications could use some improvement Yes! That was the problems in the 1st place. Often we can be a better this or that but because or problems with communication we never get the chance to show someone who / we are .

As for the unit differences I do not like the grounding problem ether, or the lack of QC but did not see them on the pic on your site. And I will say that many times we can see someone wear a higer $$ pisce of this or that. the fact is it worked for them and they made due with what they got whick I will c/o to long about the grounding or lack of on a water unit but I can say I dont need a 10 k gun to put meat on a table I make due with what I got and as anyone that knows me know I eat well.
With that I will Close have to run and hope we can get to know each other well enought to be hepfull to each other. Had someone took the time and pointed this things out before hand I would have pd the $$ But what you all did was not deal as well as the other guys until I committed to buy from them then You dropped 50 lower and told me just refuse the pick up on the other. Thats not the way I work if I tell you something I good for my word even if I know I will take the hit. Thank for you input wish it would have been so clear when I was dealing

Ray Heston
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