CK 130 Torch W/25' Superflex Lead on my PP256

[NRM]

I am planning on getting the wedge collets. Here is my online shopping comparrison between, Arc-Zone, Welding City, Weldfabulous, 3Shop-River (ebay) and River-Weld for 2 series consumables.

[zoama]

I am planning on getting the wedge collets. Here is my online shopping comparrison between, Arc-Zone, Welding City, Weldfabulous, 3Shop-River (ebay) and River-Weld for 2 series consumables.

The torch comes with a medium backcap.
Once you use the wedge collet you won't go back to the regular ones.
Weldingcity has a good deal on 2% lanthanated tungsten. 3/32 will give you the most milage.

[NRM]

I have never had a problem with the standard 3 series collets but want to try thr wedgw collets. What diffrences have you seen? Pros/Cons?
I have never used lanthanated just pure and ceriated so maybe I will give them a try.

[zoama]

I have never had a problem with the standard 3 series collets but want to try thr wedgw collets. What diffrences have you seen? Pros/Cons?
I have never used lanthanated just pure and ceriated so maybe I will give them a try.

They fit better allowing the gas lens to be fully seated into the head and the backcap will lock your tungsten just as the oring seats. They're made of brass and should last for years of hobby use. Well worth the extra pennies IMO.

[Rambozo]

They fit better allowing the gas lens to be fully seated into the head and the backcap will lock your tungsten just as the oring seats. They're made of brass and should last for years of hobby use. Well worth the extra pennies IMO.

I was going to ask the same question. I've been using the same set of Weldcraft collets and bodies for over a dozen years, so other than abuse, I didn't see lifespan as a huge issue. I don't understand about the gas lens fitting better, that should be screwed in fully with no collet in place to make the best connection with the torch body. Collet bodies and gas lens bodies should even be wrench tightened, for those with provisions. And the back cap o-ring seals between the ID and OD, the cap shouldn't seat at all, so it is applying full pressure to the collet, and not hitting anywhere else. I will probably try a CK torch next, so I will see what the differences are. I understand some of the current carrying advantages, and the more robust design that can tolerate more abuse. I've worked with plenty of people that have destroyed TIG torch parts, by running them loose, tightening them with a deathgrip, or putting way too much current through a small size. Apart from cups, tungsten, and a new o-ring every few years, I haven't really had the other parts be consumed.

[zoama]

I was going to ask the same question. I've been using the same set of Weldcraft collets and bodies for over a dozen years, so other than abuse, I didn't see lifespan as a huge issue. I don't understand about the gas lens fitting better, that should be screwed in fully with no collet in place to make the best connection with the torch body. Collet bodies and gas lens bodies should even be wrench tightened, for those with provisions. And the back cap o-ring seals between the ID and OD, the cap shouldn't seat at all, so it is applying full pressure to the collet, and not hitting anywhere else. I will probably try a CK torch next, so I will see what the differences are. I understand some of the current carrying advantages, and the more robust design that can tolerate more abuse. I've worked with plenty of people that have destroyed TIG torch parts, by running them loose, tightening them with a deathgrip, or putting way too much current through a small size. Apart from cups, tungsten, and a new o-ring every few years, I haven't really had the other parts be consumed.

The backcap o-ring touches the torch body, the backcap is not bottoming out. Maybe my discription isn't the best but I've seen someone here advise leaving the gas lens loose so that the backcap seals.
I'll try to get some pictures later today.

[Rambozo]

The backcap o-ring touches the torch body, the backcap is not bottoming out. Maybe my discription isn't the best but I've seen someone here advise leaving the gas lens loose so that the backcap seals.
I'll try to get some pictures later today.

No, you never leave the collet body loose, regular or gas lens. That is where the power transfers, it needs to be a good connection or there will be extra resistance which will make heat and possible arcing. One of the fastest ways to mess up the threads in a torch body is to leave them loose. The back cap o-ring seals between the groove on the cap and a smooth bore in the torch body. As long as it hasn't shrunk from age, it will seal as soon as it enters that bore. If it doesn't, it's time for a new o-ring. If it was designed to seal against a surface, it would have a different kind of groove.

[zoama]

No, you never leave the collet body loose, regular or gas lens. That is where the power transfers, it needs to be a good connection or there will be extra resistance which will make heat and possible arcing. One of the fastest ways to mess up the threads in a torch body is to leave them loose. The back cap o-ring seals between the groove on the cap and a smooth bore in the torch body. As long as it hasn't shrunk from age, it will seal as soon as it enters that bore. If it doesn't, it's time for a new o-ring. If it was designed to seal against a surface, it would have a different kind of groove.

We're in agreement, just describing the same thing in a different way... I'm a hobby welder with no formal training.

[NRM]

I received my FlexLoc 130A torch, SafeLoc dinse connector, wedge collets and heat shields from Weldfabulous yesterday. Their prices were less than Arc-Zone and they ship USPS. Also, I received my nozzles (4-8), gas lenses (1/16” & 3/32”), and back caps from Welding City this week. They have good prices and ship USPS flat rate boxes. I can’t wait to use my new set-up. Only problem is, I am waiting on my argon fittings which are back ordered 4-6 weeks. I could use the one from the supplied torch but I want to keep that one as is. Hopefully 4-6 weeks is just their standard disclaimer and they arrive a lot sooner.

Zoama you have any of those switches you are willing to part with?

I will post pics later.

[zoama]

I received my FlexLoc 130A torch, SafeLoc dinse connector, wedge collets and heat shields from Weldfabulous yesterday. Their prices were less than Arc-Zone and they ship USPS. Also, I received my nozzles (4-8), gas lenses (1/16” & 3/32”), and back caps from Welding City this week. They have good prices and ship USPS flat rate boxes. I can’t wait to use my new set-up. Only problem is, I am waiting on my argon fittings which are back ordered 4-6 weeks. I could use the one from the supplied torch but I want to keep that one as is. Hopefully 4-6 weeks is just their standard disclaimer and they arrive a lot sooner.

Zoama you have any of those switches you are willing to part with?

I will post pics later.

You can pull the male QC out of your oem torch and put it back later... it's very easy, or crank out a few on your lathe.
PM me the address you'd like the switch sent to.

[jakeru]

I have never had a problem with the standard 3 series collets but want to try thr wedgw collets. What diffrences have you seen? Pros/Cons?
I have never used lanthanated just pure and ceriated so maybe I will give them a try.

The wedge collets aren't 100% improvement over regular.

The fact that they're brass instead of copper doesn't make them more resistant of taking heat, IMO. I've ruined one by overheating it (giving it a permanent bend/deformation to it.)

The main thing I like about them is, how quickly they "firm up" when tightening the backcap. They are very quick-acting. Maybe 1/4 turn of the backcap to firm them up. (Compared to probably 2-4 times that much rotation being required with a standard collet.)

The main thing I dislike about them is, when you need to increase your tungsten stickout just a little bit, it can be difficult. (They can "lock up" and prevent the tungsten from coming out, even when you have the backcap loose.) Sometimes, the quickest way is to unscrew the backcap all the way.) Decreasing tungsten stickout with them on the other hand, is always super easy, quick and reliable. (because the wedge collet won't "lock" when the tungsten is moved that direction.)

I found a trick with regular collets that has made using them a lot more enjoyable since I figured out out: you gently bend the pieces away from each other just a bit, so it "springs" open natually (allowing the tungsten to practically fall out or slide very easily) when the backcap is loosened. It really helps give some feedback on how much you need to tighten/loosen to get the tungsten adequately freed. (Because the tungsten practically starts falling out on its own once it's loose enough. No tungsten getting "stuck" even though the backcap is loose.)

[Rectified]

You could look elsewhere...

Check prices of the same products from arczone and other vendors. I have found that Arczone is overpriced on what I compared..

[Trip59]

Just wondering, what's the difference between a 9 and a 130, other than the 5A on the 100% duty cycle?

[zoama]

Just wondering, what's the difference between a 9 and a 130, other than the 5A on the 100% duty cycle?

Head angle is all I see. It's 70 degrees for the 9 and 90 degrees for the 130.

[225]

I LOVE my ck130. Just love it.

[willida]

Does the CK130 use the same consumables as the 9/20 torches?

[Rambozo]

Does the CK130 use the same consumables as the 9/20 torches?

Yes, what CK calls series 2 parts.

http://www.ckworldwide.com/2series.pdf

[halojumper]

based upon the comments in this thread, I went and ordered myself one of these torches and associated parts today.

can't wait till they show up!

[halojumper]

Weldingcity and Weldfabulous are the bomb! very prompt shipping.

Q: I put my 130 together tonight. Tungsten's stick out of the Gas Lens Cup about 0.89"
quite a bit longer than the recommended 6x diameter.
I have seen reference to up to an inch being okay.

Is this acceptable? I put my water cooled SR-18 torch together, and there is plenty of adjustment room for the tungsten and the length it protrudes from the cup.

This is with brand new 7" tungsten and the long backcap

[Rambozo]

Weldingcity and Weldfabulous are the bomb! very prompt shipping.

Q: I put my 130 together tonight. Tungsten's stick out of the Gas Lens Cup about 0.89"
quite a bit longer than the recommended 6x diameter.
I have seen reference to up to an inch being okay.

Is this acceptable? I put my water cooled SR-18 torch together, and there is plenty of adjustment room for the tungsten and the length it protrudes from the cup.

This is with brand new 7" tungsten and the long backcap

Some of the "long" backcaps are not quite long enough for 7" tungstens, only 6". The solution is to just shorten your tungsten, or get a longer backcap. You will no doubt need some short ones anyway for use in tight places with the shortest back caps, so you might as well trim a few inches off to use for that. The easiest way to cut tungsten is just to grind it. Then you are left with two roughly pointed pieces that you can grind finish points onto. Some you can just snap with your hands, but there are some that will break into a bunch of pieces if you try that, so grinding or using a cutoff wheel is best. Don't use wire cutters, it's way too tough for that.

.89 is a bit on the long side depending on cup diameter and gas flow. A large gas lens can do that, but unless you need that much stickout, it is a waste of argon as you will have to crank up the flow to get good coverage.