Interoperability/Standardization of Everlast TIG Welders

[Mike J]

Being new to the TIG scene, and Everlast, hopefully someone can help me understand the questions I have around standards and interoperability.

TIG Torch - Is the DINSE connector the universal one used by all the manufacturers? Miller? Lincoln? Are there different sizes? What brands fit with the Everlast? Can they support both foot and hand amperage controls?

Water - is the water interface to the TIG torch standardized, or is it unique to the manufacturer?

Collets/Collet bodies - are these standardized? For example, can I mix them between manufacturers?

Gas lenses - same deal, can they be mixed and matched?

Cups - Same question, for example if I source some pyrex cups from HTP, will those screw onto the Everlast equipment?

Foot pedal - is the interface used also universal? Can all manufacturers pedals be use, or is there an international standard?

Gas feed - I know this is standardized between the manufacturers. The regulator should screw into most bottle types...


Cheers,

Mike

[Grizzly1944]

Howdy,

Much like a Porsche, Tig is a highly refined welding process.

There are a few different size dinse connectors industry wide. I would surmise that your new 250EXT will have a .505 dinse connector 1/2".

Collets and collet bodies are standardized for torch sizes. Again I would surmise that you will be getting a WP18 torch with your machine. These will fit other brands of the same size torch. Gas lenses as well as cups also are size oriented.

Water is still the same everywhere unless it has a color (just kidding). Usually the interfaces are standardized.

As much as we would all wish, the foot pedal isn't stardardized. Usually by brand and machine.

And you are correct, gas feed is pretty standard.

Once you get the hang of it, Tig welding is pretty cool. But learning can sometimes be like changing spark plugs on a 911 without the right tools. It's all worth it!

Have fun with your new machine.

Many of us who have Everlast Tig welders have upgraded to a WP20 torch. The WP18 is good, but the WP20 is smaller and easier to handle. The great folks here at Everlast can help you out with it.

[Titan winch]

I will be hooking up a new torch to a number of our units over the next few days, The torch in question will be available for all Everlast Welders and it will simply be a matter of swapping out the switch case that has the variable amp control built in.
From our point of view this makes for a very simple procedure that we can do before shipping out to ensure our customers have the correct values for the welder they have
The only question we have at this time is to make sure we have no RF interference with individual units . Once this is done to our satisfaction we will have these in stock .
As a FYI i am planning on using this torch on both the Micro Dual voltage 185 and a new HF Stick Tig PowerArc 160 unit that is also dual voltage.
And i plan on getting all this done and be back home for the 18th

[Tinker]

Nice looking addition. I just got my 200 DX and did a few aluminum repairs just using the torch switch. It worked fine but I'd learned with a pedal and there's just something about having that level of control that I like. I've had my old ThermalArc DC tig for a while and built a pedal for it that's great for most work. I haven't used the pedal with my 200 DX yet but I can think about a lot of times when I'd like to have the amperage control where using a pedal isn't practical. Some questions... Will this control be usable with the 200 DX? Since I've already got the unit would it be possible to get just the switch case for my 200 DX? My 200 DX pedal has the knob pot on it. How would this torch control work on it? Would it control amps 0-100% or would the 200 DX front panel amp knob control max amps?

If it would be available as a retrofit, any idea on the approximate cost?

Thanks,

Gary

[performance]

Being new to the TIG scene, and Everlast, hopefully someone can help me understand the questions I have around standards and interoperability.

TIG Torch - Is the DINSE connector the universal one used by all the manufacturers? Miller? Lincoln? Are there different sizes? What brands fit with the Everlast? Can they support both foot and hand amperage controls?

Water - is the water interface to the TIG torch standardized, or is it unique to the manufacturer?

Collets/Collet bodies - are these standardized? For example, can I mix them between manufacturers?

Foot pedals have ALWAYS been as far as I know, proprietary to brand, since there is no universal standard for ohm value. A Lincoln won't work on a Miller, and a Miller won't work on a Lincoln or any other that I am aware of. Its a marketing thing.




Gas lenses - same deal, can they be mixed and matched?

Cups - Same question, for example if I source some pyrex cups from HTP, will those screw onto the Everlast equipment?

Foot pedal - is the interface used also universal? Can all manufacturers pedals be use, or is there an international standard?

Gas feed - I know this is standardized between the manufacturers. The regulator should screw into most bottle types...


Cheers,

Mike

The torch consumables are standard. Depending on what size you use, you'll just need to keep within the same group of torch series.
In general we use standard fittings. But with the gas input we use a hose barb configuration, which is not unique to our brand but not as common as the 5/8" CGA fitting used on most welders. Our regulators feature a hose barb connection on the out side as well, but do match up to any standard welding gas cylinder. The DINSE connector is standard as well, though you will find that there are about 3 common sizes, all related to amperage range. We use the same ans Miller and Lincoln yes, but depending upon the amp output of the machine, the Dinse connector changes sizes. There are several 1/2 connectors, but each have a different length for carrying more or less current. As far as a pyrex cup...you'll find those greatly overrated, and particularly expensive to use for a beginner. Get the alumina (ceramic) cups...Less easy to break and a lot less expensive. Good and perfect welds are made every day without a bulky pyrex cup.

[redbeard]

Many of us who have Everlast Tig welders have upgraded to a WP20 torch. The WP18 is good, but the WP20 is smaller and easier to handle. The great folks here at Everlast can help you out with it.

My EXT shipped with a WP20 - flex head even! Don't know if that is subject to change though.

[Grizzly1944]

That's a good thing!

Just saw some pictures of it on another thread.

I sold the WP 18 that came with my 250EX.

[Mike J]

Thanks for the replies guys!

I am not totally new to welding, and am taking a TIG welding course at a local technical school (about 30 hours of instruction), so that give me a bit of background. My ask was all around the ability to buy supplies from various suppliers and have them work with my new welder. The torch is one of the likely examples that may be changed out depending on what you need it for. I have tried a few torches (and machines) at the school, and the lighter torches I like very much, but you got to watch the amperage.

Cheers,

Mike

[Paul Moir]

I have not used a pyrex cup, but I do use gas lenses. Among other good things, they allow you to increase your tungsten stickout if you're in a bad access or hard to see spot.

Like the torch parts, the gas lens parts are also interchangeable (I just bought some cups from down the road). A little harder to find but not much.

Having both the WP-18 and the WP-20 style torches is nice. A few seconds to swap when going from light to heavy.

What is the Everlast gas quick connect? I was trying to figure it out the other day.