Everlast minimum storage temps.

[todmorg]

I need to bring an old thread back up, UPS dropped off my replacement 250ex last night, this welder is a replacement for a welder I sent in a while ago for warranty work.

They dropped it in front of my closed shop last night and it sat out all night, its 6 degrees right now, I know it was at least -12 below zero farenheit last night.

So the question, was this welder damaged by the cold overnight temps?

I'm not looking for guesses or theories, I need to know Everlasts opinion.

If it was damaged, I will refuse the package and send it back without even opening the box.

[Powertig]

Glad to hear Everlast is helping to resolve your problems. With the 250EXT

[todmorg]

Glad to hear Everlast is helping to resolve your problems. With the 250EXT

They are working on the EXT problems ( I hope! ), this is different Everlast welder that I have had for a while and sent in for repair.

[todmorg]

OK,
Quick call to the office and Oleg says they will stand behind it if there is a problem. ( Straight and to the point ).

[todmorg]

Todd, now that you have the answer about your box, the storage temperature for commercial grade wet-type electrolytic capacitors is -40C -> +80C.

Ken, thanks again. I think -40C is almost = to -40F.

So If they are commercial grade wet-type electrolytic capacitors, we are golden.

How would you be able to identify the grade visually?

[todmorg]

Let it warm up good and it lit up just fine.

Side note: This EX welder works correct, even using the pedal, torch, gas tank, regulator, plug and approximating the settings from the EXT. This should help to rule out external parts and settings.

[zoama]

Just out of curiosity, what parts in our welders dictate the storage temps ?

[todmorg]

Here's UPS's response-


Dear Todd,

Thank you for your e-mail. I have forwarded your concerns to the local package center for further assistance. You can expect a call by the end of the business day on 01/27/12.

I apologize that your packages were not delivered during your business hours.

Please contact us if you need any additional assistance.

Agnes L.
UPS Customer Service
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[I_Love_Plasma]

Good thing Everlast ships via UPS, if they had used U.S. mail, your response email would have started out "Dear John" not "Dear Todd" And who names their kid Agnes? Oh well.

So we can store our inverter machines in -12 Fahrenheit?

[performance]

No you shouldn't store them in -12 degrees, any more than they should be stored in the rain. But if it warms up before it is used, a one time exposure shouldn't hurt the unit.

[todmorg]

No you shouldn't store them in -12 degrees, any more than they should be stored in the rain. But if it warms up before it is used, a one time exposure shouldn't hurt the unit.

I didn't ask about rain, I'm not looking for a shouldn't. I want to know if the shipping company damaged this unit by leaving it exposed to the weather overnight. If a capacitor freezes at 20 degrees, it will freeze on the first exposure not just the second or third.

Someone else from Everlast please respond with a yes or no answer, I want to be sure this thing is OK before I dig this thing out of the box and end up with another uncomfortable mess. I don't need the shippers problems to become my problems.

[performance]

Todd,
It was a comparative point, not directed at you, but at I love plasma...Storing routinely below 0 like that is no better than leaving it out in the rain routinely. A one time event with either as long as it is properly dried or warm should not cause a major issue.

And since I am from Everlast, and work with this part and you asked for Everlast's Opinion as above, I will address the question.

Warm it up before using it, to over 25 or 30 degrees and it should be fine. The major immediate issue is a frozen display, or sluggish one to respond below 20 degrees. It's likely with the insulation the box provides and the packing that the unit itself did not reach that low of a temperature internally. When things warm up they should be ok.

If you have doubts though yourself, you should do what you think is best with the shipper.

[DaveO]

In the original thread that Todd references, the concern was allowing electrolytic capacitors to freeze, and damage that may result. I suspect that is the reason for Todd's question (not to speak for you, Todd). I moved my machine from an unheated to a heated space on the strength of that thread.

[todmorg]

If you are asking just about temperature, then no, a -12F storage temperature will not damage the box.

Just be sure it warms for a long enough period of time to dry out any condensation that occurs when moving it from one temperature extreme to the other.

While, I am not Everlast, I am very familar with electronic design specifications, but maybe Everlast will chime in.

Thanks Ken, I know you are very good with electronics ( your posts are always informative and dead on accurate ), but I need to know the companys thoughts, there was a lot of unclear information on freezing capacitors not to long ago.