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    After a phone discussion with Oleg about the 250EXT situation, he offered to send me a 210EXT to use until the 250 situation is straightened out. He also asked if I would post a few photos and my thoughts on the welder. ( I think most of you know that if a welder is not working correct, I will be the first one to bitch about it ). On a side note, I think the new board will be here later this week for the 250EXT, I will post as soon as it shows up.

    The 210EXT is much smaller than the 250EXT, it's even smaller than the 250EX.

    The case has been brought up to a higher standard, it uses machined screws with captive washers and nutserts in the chassis, the screws are a nice quality black oxide, and the holes line up like they should ( this is a small detail, but it shows that they are working to bring the standards to a higher level ).

    The 210EXT is MUCH MUCH quieter than my 250EX or my 250EXT, I have been told the fans may change slightly to bring the duty cycle up from the 35% on the welder I have here to 40% on the production models, but it should still be very quiet.

    The foot pedal works like it should, it is a different design than the other Everlast pedals, and it seems pretty nice. It has a smooth metal top, I would probably but some non slip on it and a hook for you heel for easy positioning.

    The torch is an air cooled WP26 ( i think ) with a amp control knob on the side. The amp control works just as good as the pedal, it controls amperage down to about 5 or 6% of the control panel setting. I am not a finger amp control guy, so I will not go into detail on the control, except to say that the knob could be a little bigger for traction and fine adjustability. The torch is kind of big and heavy, but it is a gas cooled torch, so you have to expect that, If I was using it alot, i would get a WP9 for light work and keep the heavy torch for when you need more amperage.

    I thought we had a problem with the welder having too harsh of a light off, it seemed like it was lighting at about 35-40 amps no matter where you set the controls, after quick E-mail to the factory we found out there is a sub-menu with more adjustability, here is a copy---


    In the second menu,have 10 channels
    D01: Vacant
    D02 :High voltage stricking ARC time :0.5-2S
    D03: High voltage stricking ARC frequency :10-100HZ
    D04: DC High voltage stricking ARC current :10-100A
    D05 :AC high voltage stricking ARC current :15A-100A
    D06: Vacant
    D07: AC DC LIFT starting ARC current :10A-100A
    D08: For Adjust the fingertip AMP control TORCH."00" --4T power off ;"01"-- 4T is on
    D09:For adjut the VRD ."00":VRD is ON ;"01"VRD is OFF
    D10: For the AC Pulse selection. "00" means single Pulse ,only AC ;"01" means double Pulse .

    Attention :
    1)D08: "00" is for normal torch or called non fingertip AMP control TORCH, means when you are using an non fingertip AMP control torch for the machine ,first need enter the channel D08, and set "00",then you can switch 2T to 4T ;if you use fingertip AMP control torch ,must set as "01",if not the machine will detect and switch to 2T by itself ,Some peopeo dont know this function ,they think our machine has problems .
    2).D09 :"00" mean Voltage less than 24V; "01" means Voltage more than 67V

    3) D10: Under Double Pulse ,the peak value is AC ,base value is DC.
    Double pulse mainly used for thin sheet welding ,with Double pulse ,the thin sheet not easy to get bent while welding .



    So after a few adjustment I was able to get the start amperage down to a very low level for thin material, but still have the option of raising the amperage for sure starts on heavy, dirty, cold metal. ( pretty neat option ).

    The control panel is very small compared to the 250EXT, larger, bolder, brighter lettering would be a good thing on the printed parts, the LED's are very easy to see. The control works different than the 250EXT, and it seems to have a little more of a learning curve, but once you get the hang of it, it's very easy to use and does everything it's supposed to do.

    I haven't used the welder at every setting, but I have used a lot of the settings, so far I have not been able to spot any problems, the only limitation i have found is that AC pulsing caps out at 10HZ, but the DC pulse which is more important to me goes to 500HZ.

    The welder feels strong and smooth, it feels just as smooth as the 250EXT ( once you get a flame established with the 250 ), it does not have the top end grunt of the 250 for puddling heavy aluminum castings, but up to 1/4" is no problem.

    The 210 did not come with ground cable, regulator, consumables, or instruction manual, so I cannot comment on those items, but I'm sure they will be included with the production models.

    I will keep using the 210, and keep pushing its limits to see if I can find any problems. So far it's doing everything it's supposed to do, and doing it very well.
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    Last edited by todmorg; 03-28-2012 at 07:22 PM.
    Todd

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    I hope your 250 works as well once you get the new board

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    Is there a place on the forum that has all the options and specs on the 210EXT and 250EXT?

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    Quote Originally Posted by srp View Post
    Is there a place on the forum that has all the options and specs on the 210EXT and 250EXT?
    Srp

    we will update the site in a week with all specs
    Oleg Gladshteyn
    Phone: 650 588 8082 / 877 755 WELD
    Cell: 415 613 6664 ONLY IF YOU REALLY NEED IT
    Email: oleg@everlastwelders.com
    Website www.everlastgenerators.com

    www.linkedin.com/pub/oleg-gladshteyn/48/b08/875

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    Like that sub menu, now if we could only have the cajones of the 250 AND the apparently awesome programming of the 210....

    What microprocessor does it have?

    Is the footpedal impedance the same as the 250?
    Penncrest Buzzbox - Infinite amp control! Man the 70's were good.
    Everlast Powerplasma 60 - Reliable unit, cuts well.
    Everlast i-MIG 250P w/spoolgun - Really smooth, plenty of cajones.
    Everlast 250EXT - Sometimes it just takes a kick in the balls...
    Everlast 255EXT - Just started playing

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    Quote Originally Posted by redbeard View Post
    Like that sub menu, now if we could only have the cajones of the 250 AND the apparently awesome programming of the 210....

    What microprocessor does it have?

    Is the footpedal impedance the same as the 250?
    The pedal looks like a 1k, the 250's are 50K.

    I'm not sure what the processor is, this welder is built very compact and clean, there are very few wires, it looks like most of the connections are ribbon cables. I haven't been able to locate the processor. I haven't been able to locate the point gap either, I'm not sure if it's under a cover or if it may be gapless????

    There are 3 waveforms, I will try them more over the weekend.

    The 210 may have a few more adjustments, but the 250 still has the bias control ( I really like the bias ).

    The feeling I get for the welders is, if your looking for a portable that can do almost anything, the 210EXT is a pretty nice choice ( there is even a quick coupling on the gas inlet for portability). If you are looking for a heavy duty stationary unit that has lots of power, lots of adjustment and water cooling the 250EXT will be the ticket once the last bugs are ironed out.
    Todd

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    Quote Originally Posted by todmorg View Post
    I haven't been able to locate the point gap either, I'm not sure if it's under a cover or if it may be gapless????
    All the HF strike settings in the sub-menu kind of imply that it is.
    Penncrest Buzzbox - Infinite amp control! Man the 70's were good.
    Everlast Powerplasma 60 - Reliable unit, cuts well.
    Everlast i-MIG 250P w/spoolgun - Really smooth, plenty of cajones.
    Everlast 250EXT - Sometimes it just takes a kick in the balls...
    Everlast 255EXT - Just started playing

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oleg View Post
    Srp

    we will update the site in a week with all specs
    Ummmm......still waiting on those specs..... Anytime soon for the updated site?

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    Duncan has completed the manual...It's loaded to the site. It should have all the specs, plus we have put a tutorial video of it up on youtube, that covers all the specs, step by step.

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    Quote Originally Posted by performance View Post
    Duncan has completed the manual...It's loaded to the site. It should have all the specs, plus we have put a tutorial video of it up on youtube, that covers all the specs, step by step.
    I reviewed the manual. Am I missing the specs such as pulse, frequency, balance, etc. the general features specs? I saw the general specs such as volts, amps, duty cycle, etc. but not the features. Am I missing these?

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    Todd thanks for sharing your review of the 210ext. Oleg is a real smart man to get you to test and review this welder. I am glad to see that Everlast is always improving the quality of their products. Hope they get your 250ext straightened out. Nice shop by the way looks like you can build just about anything.
    Bill

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    Quote Originally Posted by 67cudafb View Post
    Todd thanks for sharing your review of the 210ext. Oleg is a real smart man to get you to test and review this welder. I am glad to see that Everlast is always improving the quality of their products. Hope they get your 250ext straightened out. Nice shop by the way looks like you can build just about anything.
    These units have been under testing and reveiw here for a lot longer than just a day with Todd.
    The actaull Testing and evaluation is being performed by a very competant and well known personality who has been working closely with us on this project. The Welder Todd has received has the latest tweeks done to it and should be the actual production unit that will be coming of the line.
    On this project there has been actually very little involvement from the usual chanells ( and to be honest it has gone very smoothly ) from the initiall start up last spring when we first scheduled our first factory visit to start this project.
    Cheers
    Duncan
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    Duncan I was not implying that this welder was not tested by you and the others involved in its build I know you guys are little sensitive after the problems with the 250ext and I am glad to see the inprovement in the quality of the welders you sell I just thought Todd was a good choice for for the first public unit to review nothing more than that I don't quite get what you me about the usual channels sorry if I pissed you off
    Bill

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    After seeing the specs on the R-tech, I hope the Everlast version has the 10 to 90 AC balance and the .2 pulse like their high end tig (250EX) does. After being stuck at 68% electrode negative on the Syncrowave most all my life. Those are make or break options for me and are the very options that sold me on Everlast. The thing that made me fall in love with the Dynasty was being able to use low frequency, and still be able to focus the arc down to be super stable at low amperage's by the AC balance. With that being said, its easy to see why I like the 185 micro so much and then factor in it will run on 110, makes it a home-run in my book.

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    Will the 210EXT be available for the Australian market?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Geco View Post
    Will the 210EXT be available for the Australian market?
    Geco

    Yes, Everlast AU will be geting new 210EXT unit. Please contact BOB and he will give you more info
    Production will start in 14 days
    Oleg Gladshteyn
    Phone: 650 588 8082 / 877 755 WELD
    Cell: 415 613 6664 ONLY IF YOU REALLY NEED IT
    Email: oleg@everlastwelders.com
    Website www.everlastgenerators.com

    www.linkedin.com/pub/oleg-gladshteyn/48/b08/875

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    Quote Originally Posted by Geco View Post
    Will the 210EXT be available for the Australian market?
    Geco,
    contact me via support@pickproducts.com.au
    regards
    Bob Guthrie
    Everlast Welders Australia

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    Quote Originally Posted by srp View Post
    After seeing the specs on the R-tech, I hope the Everlast version has the 10 to 90 AC balance and the .2 pulse like their high end tig (250EX) does. After being stuck at 68% electrode negative on the Syncrowave most all my life. Those are make or break options for me and are the very options that sold me on Everlast. The thing that made me fall in love with the Dynasty was being able to use low frequency, and still be able to focus the arc down to be super stable at low amperage's by the AC balance. With that being said, its easy to see why I like the 185 micro so much and then factor in it will run on 110, makes it a home-run in my book.
    I did not recieve a manual with this welder, so I am not exactly sure on the balance control. It goes from -30 to +30, which would imply 20-80 balance. It gets you well into the range of being able to use a pointed tungsten on aluminum.

    I know Oleg was going to check with the factory on a couple of things on the ranges and settings, .2 or even .1 may be do-able on the pulse, It's not every day you need a 10 second pulse rate, but there may be times when it would be handy.

    Edit: Another really cool option with this welder is that you can set the pulsing so it cycles from AC on the high side of the pulse to DC on the low side of the pulse. I will try these settings this weekend also, and see what effect these settings have on thin aluminum. It's pretty wierd to listen to in use, buzz-smooth-buzz-smooth......
    Last edited by todmorg; 03-29-2012 at 03:01 PM.
    Todd

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    Todd, that setting is correct...It translates to 20-80%.

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    Quote Originally Posted by todmorg View Post
    I did not recieve a manual with this welder, so I am not exactly sure on the balance control. It goes from -30 to +30, which would imply 20-80 balance. It gets you well into the range of being able to use a pointed tungsten on aluminum.

    I know Oleg was going to check with the factory on a couple of things on the ranges and settings, .2 or even .1 may be do-able on the pulse, It's not every day you need a 10 second pulse rate, but there may be times when it would be handy.

    Edit: Another really cool option with this welder is that you can set the pulsing so it cycles from AC on the high side of the pulse to DC on the low side of the pulse. I will try these settings this weekend also, and see what effect these settings have on thin aluminum. It's pretty wierd to listen to in use, buzz-smooth-buzz-smooth......
    Yea, the actual number does not matter, its if it will have a focused arc is whats important. I thought the EXT's had separate electrode negative and positive amperage gains. I guess I was wrong? The dual pulse sounds cool.

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