Gas Saver set?

[Trip59]

40% saving in gas, is that over a standard tip or standard lens? Do they really weld better? Worth buying?

[DaveO]

Are you referring to CK Worldwide's "Gas Saver Front End kit"?

[Trip59]

indeed.

"Ck Worldwide's Gas Saver™ front-end kit allows the users to save up to 40% of shield gas consumption while providing better shield gas coverage patterns. With better shielding gas coverage patterns the welder can extend the tungsten up to 6 x the diameter of the electrode beyond the edge of the gas cup. (This is achieved in draft free areas using argon gas.)"

[NRM]

I was wondering what the difference is between the standard lens, gas lens and gas saver lens. I want to order a CK 130 amp torch (like Zoama’s) and don’t know the differences in the lens. Anyone have some explanation?

[Brian Ski]

I was wondering what the difference is between the standard lens, gas lens and gas saver lens. I want to order a CK 130 amp torch (like Zoama’s) and don’t know the differences in the lens. Anyone have some explanation?

From what I have learned the standard lens works, but it has air current ripples that dissipate the gas quicker. The gas lens has a screen (or a couple) that act as a filter to smooth out the air currents so the gas comes out like a straight tube. At least until outside air disrupts it. Seems to work better for extending the tip out to see what you are doing better. Also the gas lens take a different ceramic cup.

Not sure on the gas saver.

[NRM]

Brian thanks for the info. I remember seeing the picture on CK's website with the standard lens and gas lens although I thought it was the gas saver.

[Rodsmachineshop]

this pic shows difference

[jakeru]

As you might imagine, this has been covered before. Don't forget to search before you post. If you find a relevant thread, post a reply in there as a further question relating to it, rather than create a new thread. This helps keep the forum posts better organized. Thanks

Check out the below linked threads:

http://www.everlastgenerators.com/fo.../2603-Gas-lens

http://www.everlastgenerators.com/fo...-torch-nozzles

http://www.everlastgenerators.com/fo...clear-gas-cups

[undercut]

this pic shows difference

Picture is worth a thousand words. Really does answer a lot of questions. Would like to see how the heat from the tungsten arc affects the gas flow, though.

[zoama]

For me, the perfect combination on a wp-9 size torch (same for CK130) is a generic small gas lense http://www.weldingcity.com/tig-consu...r/45v41-45v45/ with nozzle http://www.weldingcity.com/tig-consu...e/53n58-53n61/ and a CK wedge collet http://www.arc-zone.com/index.php?ma...oducts_id=8753 .This combination is low cost and very long lasting.
The CK wedge collet is the perfect length so that the gas lens screws all the way in snug and the back cap seats on it's gasket just as it locks the tungsten in place.
The wedge collets can be had cheaper than arc-zone's price since they require you to purchase at least 5 for each size you want, so shop around if money's tight.

[Brian Ski]

this pic shows difference

I am still curious how they got the Argon to smoke like that???

[Trip59]

As you might imagine, this has been covered before. Don't forget to search before you post. If you find a relevant thread, post a reply in there as a further question relating to it, rather than create a new thread. This helps keep the forum posts better organized. Thanks

Check out the below linked threads:

http://www.everlastgenerators.com/fo.../2603-Gas-lens

http://www.everlastgenerators.com/fo...-torch-nozzles

http://www.everlastgenerators.com/fo...clear-gas-cups

Jake, I did search, several times, got several threads that didn't answer my question. The original question was

"40% saving in gas, is that over a standard tip or standard lens?"

So, does the 'gas saver' save over a standard tip or a gas lens?

[zoama]

Jake, I did search, several times, got several threads that didn't answer my question. The original question was

"40% saving in gas, is that over a standard tip or standard lens?"

So, does the 'gas saver' save over a standard tip or a gas lens?

Where you would run 7 to 8 lpm on a regular collet, you can cut back to about 5 lpm with the gas lens.

[Trip59]

Where you would run 7 to 8 lpm on a regular collet, you can cut back to about 5 lpm with the gas lens.

Not to be a pain in the arse, but is that ANY gas lens, or these? In other words, are these better than others, will they work more efficiently or save more than what would be saved by another company's gas lens setup?

[undercut]

I am still curious how they got the Argon to smoke like that???

Probably just piped in steam or something for the picture / video marketing spot. Shine a light from one side to light up the particulate.

[Brian Ski]

Jake, I did search, several times, got several threads that didn't answer my question. The original question was

"40% saving in gas, is that over a standard tip or standard lens?"

So, does the 'gas saver' save over a standard tip or a gas lens?

I did some research... It looks like it can save you 40% over a standard tip. You just have to remember to turn your gas flow down to compensate for the better coverage a gas save or gas lens will make.

From what I have found the gas lens, like what I described above, has several screens near the tip of the torch to make the gas flow less turbulent. Now the Gas saver is a little different. It has the screen closer to the top of the torch. It is a little different design to make the flow better. They both tend to use a larger cup so they are tighter to get into corners. That is why they they went with the pyrex cups. so you can see closer into the corner. Kind of a give and take. You need to remember to turn the gas down to see the savings. It looks like you get more of a savings with the saver than the lens, but not a large amount.

Personally I don't think I will be using the torch that much to make that much of a difference. Heck I am more likely to forget and leave the tank on.

[zoama]

Not to be a pain in the arse, but is that ANY gas lens, or these? In other words, are these better than others, will they work more efficiently or save more than what would be saved by another company's gas lens setup?

They all work the same in using a screen to straighten out gas flow, so IMO brand wouldn't make much difference. All I can say with certainty is that the combination I outlined in post #10 works very well.

[Injected65]

Not to butt in on the thread, but I have found a source for #10 and #12 gas lens cups. This is a picture of the cups with some brass screens that my buddy makes at his work. He used both the 10 and 12 cups when welding aircraft parts. He loves the gas coverage and since he has been doing for years and years I sure am not one to question it







Chris

[Rodsmachineshop]

cheap screens http://brasspipescreens.com/index.ph...FQ9whwod0SGRqg use there screens but not for welding lol bet they would work great since brass or stainless is available and in all sizes

[Injected65]

The ones I posted are punched from a sheet of screen, but I don't see any reason a person couldn't get those, punch the center hole and then make a small die that you could form the sides on.