210 EXT Welding Capacity (thickness)

[MoparCar]

Does anyone know the real world thickness capacity in both steel and aluminum for the new 210 EXT? There's not a lot of accurate specs available that aren't from the original press release time. Thanks in advance!

[performance]

Does anyone know the real world thickness capacity in both steel and aluminum for the new 210 EXT? There's not a lot of accurate specs available that aren't from the original press release time. Thanks in advance!

I got a good weld going on 1/4" angled aluminum. Mystery classification. Didn't feel maxed out.

[Rodsmachineshop]

manual https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q...3cS1Wju3zDLMVQ

[MoparCar]

I got a good weld going on 1/4" angled aluminum. Mystery classification. Didn't feel maxed out.

manual https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q...3cS1Wju3zDLMVQ

Thanks Mark and Rod,
I appreciate the feedback.
I don't see the manual stating capacities though? I don't think I missed it but perhaps.

[DVA]

Technically you can weld 10" thick material but it will need multiple passes and preheat as required on most welds on thicker materials.

I work around a lot of pipe welders and they do not need 200A to weld a 10"+ Schedule 160 pipe because the the weld will take multiple passes. Much of this is done with a GTAW root pass and hot passes with 1/8 inch 7018 stick requiring about 120A.

How thick of material do you need to weld?

[MoparCar]

Technically you can weld 10" thick material but it will need multiple passes and preheat as required on most welds on thicker materials.

I work around a lot of pipe welders and they do not need 200A to weld a 10"+ Schedule 160 pipe because the the weld will take multiple passes. Much of this is done with a GTAW root pass and hot passes with 1/8 inch 7018 stick requiring about 120A.

How thick of material do you need to weld?

DVA,
Yes you are correct! I should have stated single pass thickness. Mostly my use would be hot rod/automotive fabrication plus some other items. 1/4 mild steel is pretty common for suspension brackets, etc. Aluminum about the same. I may be doing some SS in about the same max thickness.
Thanks-

[MoparCar]

Why do Everlast people not answer this very simple question about the single pass capacity? What are the actual specs on the machine? Not trying to start something but it sounds like a great machine but it's hard to make decisions without facts?

Should I give up on thei 210 EXT? Vaporware?

[Rodsmachineshop]

did they give you a price on the 210ext . Me myself i have been super happy with my 250ex no problem on 1/4 or thicker stuff welding . bought the big power arc 300 wow it kicks but welding thick stuff . only thing i don't like on the 300 is the short leads about 3 times longer in length would be nice .

[performance]

Why do Everlast people not answer this very simple question about the single pass capacity? What are the actual specs on the machine? Not trying to start something but it sounds like a great machine but it's hard to make decisions without facts?

Should I give up on thei 210 EXT? Vaporware?

I thought I said 1/4"...but did feel like it had a little extra to spare.( but not enough to go to 3/8".) It's not going to do more or less than any other comparable machine in it's class. It's a limit of physics. Using

We gave a price of 1799.00. They should be here very very soon.

[performance]

Rod, it takes about 5 minutes to add more cable to those leads. Just like most any other welder like this, you add the amount of lead you want.

[Rodsmachineshop]

all ready made new leads and tossed that funky rod holder in the trash and installed a good one lol

[Rambozo]

Why do Everlast people not answer this very simple question about the single pass capacity?

Single pass capacity is not really a simple question. The machine puts out 210 amps, that is what can be measured and is a simple question to answer. It was mentioned that this is usually good for just over 1/4" in aluminum and probably a little thicker in steel. Would you weld 3/8 steel on one pass? probably not, it would not be the best joint even if you had 1000 amps on tap. As to Aluminum there are so many variables it's better just to list the output power. I'm sure for small pieces it would not be hard to weld 3/8" with 210 amps, add He and preheat and you could probably even go 1/2". At the same time, I bet this unit can't weld a 1/4" thick aluminum radio tower outside at Point Barrow, Alaska at -40°. Some makers inflate their machines by using best case scenarios, others are more conservative. Everlast seems to be about in the middle to conservative side. That is why you will see two welders with the same power output listed with different thicknesses. The only measurable figure is power output. That is what you should be comparing.

[HemiRod23]

Single pass capacity is not really a simple question. The machine puts out 210 amps, that is what can be measured and is a simple question to answer. It was mentioned that this is usually good for just over 1/4" in aluminum and probably a little thicker in steel. Would you weld 3/8 steel on one pass? probably not, it would not be the best joint even if you had 1000 amps on tap. As to Aluminum there are so many variables it's better just to list the output power. I'm sure for small pieces it would not be hard to weld 3/8" with 210 amps, add He and preheat and you could probably even go 1/2". At the same time, I bet this unit can't weld a 1/4" thick aluminum radio tower outside at Point Barrow, Alaska at -40°. Some makers inflate their machines by using best case scenarios, others are more conservative. Everlast seems to be about in the middle to conservative side. That is why you will see two welders with the same power output listed with different thicknesses. The only measurable figure is power output. That is what you should be comparing.

You're correct, but sometimes some basic information and answers are helpful, with the understanding that they are variable based on conditions. I found it very difficult to find basic "starting point" settings for TIG and Plasma. Weeks later I found a video that explained rule of thumb guidelines for plasma settings. It said 20A for 1/8" metal, and 10A more for every additional 1/8" of thickness, and 65-75psi of air pressure. Is it exact? Probably not, but it gives a reasonable starting point to work from. After that you make small adjustments until you find the perfect setting.

[Rambozo]

You're correct, but sometimes some basic information and answers are helpful, with the understanding that they are variable based on conditions. I found it very difficult to find basic "starting point" settings for TIG and Plasma. Weeks later I found a video that explained rule of thumb guidelines for plasma settings. It said 20A for 1/8" metal, and 10A more for every additional 1/8" of thickness, and 65-75psi of air pressure. Is it exact? Probably not, but it gives a reasonable starting point to work from. After that you make small adjustments until you find the perfect setting.

The original poster was asking about how to compare. The thing to compare is power output. Not what rule of thumb they used to come up with the thickness. There have always been basic formulas to calculate power required. For TIG Al it's .001 per amp, so this 210 amp machine is good for .210" or just under 1/4" That is at 50% balance, so by adjusting the balance it can do .250" without trouble. With welding and plasma cutting there is also travel speed, so thickness/power is only part of the equation. 20A for cutting 1/8" will only work at one speed. Go faster and you will need more amps, slower you will need less, to have a clean cut.