Group buy: .023 drive rolls for IMIG machines

[DaveO]

Recently there have been some posts talking about using .023 drive rolls in IMIG machines. IMIG owners know the machine’s smallest wire capacity is .030; I’d like to see if a .023 drive roll will work. There is a U.S. supplier with these rolls here:
http://weldingdirect.com/52drro0vgrnu.html

They sell for $18.20 each, but their minimum order is $50 not including shipping… so rather than load up on equipment that I don’t need (to meet the minimum purchase) I’m proposing a group buy to meet the purchase minimum and possibly expand the capability of your machine. Basically, this is a “will it work” gamble.

I’ve thought about the expenses involved, and it winds up being the cost of each roll, shipping from the vendor to me, then shipping to you, if you join. Each roll is $18.20, the vendor tells me that shipping is the UPS cost plus $4.50 handling, for a total of about $16.50. Since the rolls are about 1 ounce (I weighed mine this morning) I’m guessing U.S. first class mail plus the cost of a bubble wrap envelope to be about $2.50.

As far as expenses go, the unknown is the vendor’s shipping cost: if three guys join shipping could be as much as $5, so the max price would be $25.50, less if more people join.

Here’s my promise to anyone that joins: I’m not in this to make money, and I’ll ship as quickly as possible once I get rolls from the vendor. I’m doing this to share the Everlast joy- so for that reason I’d like to step out of the equation after shipping to you. I’ll provide a copy of the purchase documentation to all participants, and I wouldn’t leave anybody hanging, but I’d suggest that any subsequent communication with the vendor would be on your terms. My original thought was to keep this within the US for ease of mailing; instead anyone can play if you’re willing to pay actual postage from the US.

If you’d like to join, respond here or send a PM. We should probably set a “last call” for a couple days out so we can get the order in as quickly as possible. Let me know!

[everlastsupport]

Hey Dave,

What's the cost to me. Just checked the 205P and IMIG200, looks like the same drive assembly, pulled the IMIG200 (since it is doing aluminum spool gun these days and no wire in it).

ID=22mm OD=30mm width=10mm, key was like 4.1mm but close enough. Wish it was a .023 and .040, and I know we have a little speed issue on the .023 per Mark.

If under $25 or $30, count me in for one if you have paypal (and my kids have not broke my paypal account ). Also, mine weighted in at .85 oz. So not much there in weight.

[DaveO]

If a third person joins (we'd need a third to get past the min order), the most it would be is $25.50. More people would defray the vendor's shipping cost even more, so per roll cost would go down. And I should have mentioned, let's plan to use Payal.

[everlastsupport]

If a third person joins (we'd need a third to get past the min order), the most it would be is $25.50. More people would defray the vendor's shipping cost even more, so per roll cost would go down. And I should have mentioned, let's plan to use Payal.

Don't forget paypal has a charge in there that will come from your end, so add for that too.

Count me in. Did ROd ever say weather is worked well or not. I think he said he bought one. Come to think of it, have not see Rod on for a bit?

[X83]

If you look on eBay UK you will find a variety of drive rollers for MIG machines but no one in the US seems to carry these in stock.

No minimum order requirements here but the price is a little higher with more options to choose: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MIG-WELDER...item19d4b1a3ef

[DaveO]

I did speak with Rod via PM, who said it did work in conjunction with a "resistor" ground, described in post #5 in this thread.
http://www.everlastgenerators.com/fo...5408#post35408

X83, I saw that UK piece altho I didn't see the options. I was a little concerned about the exchange rate, and the cost and timeliness of shipping from the UK.

[redbeard]

Does the 250P use the same rollers?

[X83]

X83, I saw that UK piece altho I didn't see the options. I was a little concerned about the exchange rate, and the cost and timeliness of shipping from the UK.

I just purchased some replacement blue, red, yellow Teflonliners for my mig gun and had them within twelve days form the UK.

The exchange rate is for one pound is around $1.62 USD so that drive roller would be $27.55 USD plus shipping cost.

[X83]

Does the 250P use the same rollers?

No the 250P uses drive rollers with the two pin holes like these: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MIG-WELDER...item1c2abc312f

[performance]

I believe Rod was referring to welding thinner metal. It won't work with the wire feed speed issue.

[zoama]

I believe Rod was referring to welding thinner metal. It won't work with the wire feed speed issue.

How far off is the wire speed ?

[performance]

According to my understanding, a couple hundred inches per minute.

[zoama]

According to my understanding, a couple hundred inches per minute.

I have no experience with it but looking at the radnor chart it should work up to 50 amps or so wouldn't it ? Source: www.airgas.com/documents/pdf/MIGWire.pdf

[redbeard]

I believe Rod was referring to welding thinner metal. It won't work with the wire feed speed issue.

I have no experience with it but looking at the radnor chart it should work up to 50 amps or so wouldn't it ? Source: www.airgas.com/documents/pdf/MIGWire.pdf

With the I-MIG 160 at 590 IPM: http://www.everlastgenerators.com/Sp.../PowerIMIG.pdf
the 200 and 205 at 600 IPM: http://www.everlastgenerators.com/Br...-I-MIG-200.pdf, http://www.everlastgenerators.com/Br...-I-MIG-205.pdf
and the 250P at 700 IPM: http://www.everlastgenerators.com/Br...I-MIG-250p.pdf,
I don't understand why there would be any issues at all when that chart tops out at only 400 IPM.

[zoama]

With the I-MIG 160 at 590 IPM: http://www.everlastgenerators.com/Sp.../PowerIMIG.pdf
the 200 and 205 at 600 IPM: http://www.everlastgenerators.com/Br...-I-MIG-200.pdf, http://www.everlastgenerators.com/Br...-I-MIG-205.pdf
and the 250P at 700 IPM: http://www.everlastgenerators.com/Br...I-MIG-250p.pdf,
I don't understand why there would be any issues at all when that chart tops out at only 400 IPM.

My understanding is that the wire speed specs are not correct due to some confusion with the manufacturer. I measured my 250p once, I think it topped out around 435 ipm.

[Rambozo]

My understanding is that the wire speed specs are not correct due to some confusion with the manufacturer. I measured my 250p once, I think it topped out around 435 ipm.

Yet another metric conversion error, no doubt. Sure would be nice if we would finally give up on inches. Even England has, mostly and they invented the damn thing.

[performance]

You can expect somewhere around 325-375 for the smaller i migs...depending upon model.

[redbeard]

My understanding is that the wire speed specs are not correct due to some confusion with the manufacturer. I measured my 250p once, I think it topped out around 435 ipm.

That's not too bad I guess, at least it is faster than the Radnor chart you posted.

Yet another metric conversion error, no doubt. Sure would be nice if we would finally give up on inches. Even England has, mostly and they invented the damn thing.

Yeah, I remember in school in the 70's there was a little mini-push to go metric, but it pretty much fizzled out. I'm probably too set in my ways now to easily go full metric. It's kind of like a second language, you may be able to speak and understand it, but you pretty much will always think in your native tongue.

How long has this discrepancy been know? Is there any particular reason that the specs posted on the website can't be kept up to date and accurate? This is information that customers rely on to make decisions and needs to be correct. It only takes a few minutes to change the numbers and repost new PDFs.