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sw2x Anyone have problems with the... 12-10-2012, 05:51 AM
Rambozo WP9 has a very low amp rating... 12-10-2012, 06:48 AM
sw2x I have never used the WP9... 12-10-2012, 08:14 AM
zoama The torch is rated for 80... 12-10-2012, 11:36 AM
sw2x I talked to Ray and from our... 12-11-2012, 02:55 PM
sw2x I was setting my amps to... 12-13-2012, 01:06 PM
sw2x Borrowed a ck130 flex from a... 12-16-2012, 07:01 AM
Ultraman Solder? If that torch is... 12-16-2012, 08:56 AM
sw2x It should have been brazed. ... 12-16-2012, 07:23 PM
Mike J I agree, CK makes some really... 12-16-2012, 07:40 PM
Rambozo CK sells just the torch, but... 12-16-2012, 11:19 AM
zoama That's for sure, and he'd be... 12-16-2012, 02:00 PM
scootarida1 CK 130 superflex ftw! 12-16-2012, 03:40 PM
Jason Mine broke on the second use... 12-21-2012, 06:37 PM
sw2x So I bought a Replacement... 12-23-2012, 06:49 PM
225 My CK130 compared to stock... 12-23-2012, 07:38 PM
fdcmiami great pricing for the ck line... 12-23-2012, 11:02 PM
sw2x I am definitely going to buy... 12-16-2012, 10:32 PM
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    Default Anyone have problems with the Everlast WP9 Flexhead torch? Mine has broken twice :(

    I received my 225LX on 2/23/12 with a WP9 torch option, by April the rubber insulation around the flexneck had cracked and shocked the crap out of me. (I SHOULD HAVE CALLED IT IN RIGHT AWAY) I took a piece of bike tube and wrapped it around the cracked rubber and used electrical tape to seal it up. I didn't use the welder at all until about 2 weeks ago. I fired it up to do a few small aluminum parts. Today the entire neck snapped off the handle when I tried to adjust the angle of the torch head, due to brittle rubber and a poor design. The flex neck itself isn't even brazed to the copper in the handle. The only thing keeping the flexible copper wound wire attached to the copper electrical lug inside the handle is the molded rubber, which was partially melted down into the area between the wound copper flex neck and the electrical lug in the handle.(explains why the neck always got so damn hot even at low amperage) Which failed after very limited use. I am really not happy with the quality of this torch! Will everlast warranty my torch? Has anyone else had this issue? Has everlast come up with a new design on the torch????

    I think I'll call in and see what Everlast is willing to do.
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    WP9 has a very low amp rating (I think around 80 to 120 depending on duty cycle). Your machine can exceed that with ease. Are you sure you didn't overheat it?
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    I have never used the WP9 over 70amps. I've only used it to weld .1" aluminum sheet.
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    The torch is rated for 80 amps AC @ 60% duty cycle. I believe the warranty on accessories is 6 months.
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    I talked to Ray and from our conversation, it is his beleif (without seeing it) That it was defective from the very beginning. Tried calling and talking to Alex twice yesterday but each time I got Tatyana (SP???) and had to leave my phone # for Alex. Just like my last experience in February and March, I did not get a return call.
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    Throw it out and buy a CK torch?

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    I was setting my amps to 76amps and preheating the metal with a propane torch and then laying a bead for approximately 30-45 seconds. I was trying to prevent the aluminum from pulling too bad and I found this method to be the best way. I produced the best welds with lower amperage and a preheated metal.

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    Borrowed a ck130 flex from a good friend and OMG IT'S NIGHT AND DAY. Its way better than both my wp18 and the wp9. I noticed a immediate difference in gas flow. On the Everlast torch I would get a big spike of gas pressure then it would taper down to a steady flow. With the ck its has a barely noticeable spike when you first push the pedal but is extremely smooth from then on out. Welds are night and day better.

    Does anyone know where I can buy the ck flexloc head. I don't want to buy a torch with cable. I just want the torch head, and I'll screw it on to my Everlast hose and cable like I did with this ck130 flex I borrowed

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    Solder? If that torch is supposed to be a flexneck, I'm not sure solder would hold the two in place. It looks to me that's a design flaw. IMHO, neck and the handle needs to be mechanically fastened if it's to be flexible. I think the overheating (if it actually happened at all) just exposed the flaw. Maybe Everlast should ask the manufacturer how they are supposed to be attached.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ultraman View Post
    Solder? If that torch is supposed to be a flexneck, I'm not sure solder would hold the two in place. It looks to me that's a design flaw. IMHO, neck and the handle needs to be mechanically fastened if it's to be flexible. I think the overheating (if it actually happened at all) just exposed the flaw. Maybe Everlast should ask the manufacturer how they are supposed to be attached.
    It should have been brazed. Crimped and brazed actually... The head is brazed, I couldn't break the braze joint if I tried. The wound copper wire would fatigue break long before the brazed joint would come apart. The neck should have been brazed to the cup and this never would have happened I can say that for sure. As far as the rubber splitting on the neck I can only attribute that to the wall thickness being so thin on that side and just general fatigue.

    After comparing the original to the CK There are some very obvious differences in quality.

    • The CK's connection to the cable is a solid chunk of brass from the flare all the way to the neck. WP9F is a fitting soldered to some copper pipe, soldered to a cup with the neck just slipping inside.
    • The CK's rubber is at least 1.5x as thick as the WP9F


    I can't imagine it costing more than $10 to build a torch as good as the CK. That's factoring in labor, materials, marketing, admin costs, etc...

    The chinese are building welders on par with their US made counterparts... No reason why they can't make comparable torches.
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    I agree, CK makes some really good torches, you support the US (given they are entirely manufactured in the US - I visited the Factory in October), and that is all I use - and am very happy. Super flexible hoses and great heads - their collets are outstanding as well. My favorite is the flex-head, that is pretty well all I am using.

    The Chinese torches are pretty well crap and build not to last. Just bite the bullet and go for CK!

    cheers,

    Mike

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    Quote Originally Posted by sw2x View Post
    Borrowed a ck130 flex from a good friend and OMG IT'S NIGHT AND DAY. Its way better than both my wp18 and the wp9. I noticed a immediate difference in gas flow. On the Everlast torch I would get a big spike of gas pressure then it would taper down to a steady flow. With the ck its has a barely noticeable spike when you first push the pedal but is extremely smooth from then on out. Welds are night and day better.

    Does anyone know where I can buy the ck flexloc head. I don't want to buy a torch with cable. I just want the torch head, and I'll screw it on to my Everlast hose and cable like I did with this ck130 flex I borrowed

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    CK sells just the torch, but you might have another "OMG IT'S NIGHT AND DAY" moment if you try their superflex cable, too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rambozo View Post
    CK sells just the torch, but you might have another "OMG IT'S NIGHT AND DAY" moment if you try their superflex cable, too.
    That's for sure, and he'd be good to 150 amps AC or DC @60% duty cycle.
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    CK 130 superflex ftw!
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    Mine broke on the second use at the front. Just figured I would get a different setup later.
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    So I bought a Replacement from weldingcity.com it arrived but it was the standard 9 rigid. they were out of stock on the flex heads. So I went over to weldfabulous.com and was able to order a CK130 Flex torch and a CK FL150 Flex loc 150 Amp torch with a series 2 and series 3 head, and a standard diameter gas saver kit with collet bodies for 1/16, 3/32, 1/8 and the 2 pyrex cups. I didn't bite on the superflex hoses yet since funds are tight this christmas season. I think I got a phenomenal deal at $168 for everything I ordered on weldfabulous.com.
    I looked on a few other websites as well. Arc-Zone, Tig Depot and a few others. But only Weld Fabulous would sell the individual torch bodies. When I can afford to, I will pickup a Superflex cable. The short 12' cable I think was $41 on weldfabulous!

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    My CK130 compared to stock


    Not trying to bad mouth Everlast here. But do yourself a favor and upgrade your components. New torchs/pedals/etc.

    I own 3 Everlast machines. Everyone I bought, I bought aftermarket torches, etc. Makes life a lot easier and will let you really enjoy the machines.

    Ever buy a car/truck/motorcycle? Leave everything stock? Nope. You always upgrade stuff. Just do it and you will be happy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sw2x View Post
    So I bought a Replacement from weldingcity.com it arrived but it was the standard 9 rigid. they were out of stock on the flex heads. So I went over to weldfabulous.com and was able to order a CK130 Flex torch and a CK FL150 Flex loc 150 Amp torch with a series 2 and series 3 head, and a standard diameter gas saver kit with collet bodies for 1/16, 3/32, 1/8 and the 2 pyrex cups. I didn't bite on the superflex hoses yet since funds are tight this christmas season. I think I got a phenomenal deal at $168 for everything I ordered on weldfabulous.com.
    I looked on a few other websites as well. Arc-Zone, Tig Depot and a few others. But only Weld Fabulous would sell the individual torch bodies. When I can afford to, I will pickup a Superflex cable. The short 12' cable I think was $41 on weldfabulous!
    great pricing for the ck line on that site. i'm going to pick up a new tig torch from them. wouldn't do business with arczone and i know i'm not alone. looks like they just picked up the line. the site is still under construction.

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    SW2X - thanks for the info about weldfabulous now carrying CK. Finally, an online vendor with what looks like a fairly complete line-up of CK TIG torch products, and decent prices to boot!
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    I am definitely going to buy a ck. I'll put a few hours on this one after the seahawks game.

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