New 210EXT

[Judgeless]

Two points worth noting, as context is important.
1) This is a limited release of the new 210ext unit, as we prepare for full production. It's very different in many respects than the current unit and has more/different capabilities than the current unit including a higher duty cycle, larger case, different factory etc.
2) Paul's unit, last I knew was a 225lx unit (and not a digital 210ext) which is analog and all analog units use the 2T function in conjunction with the pedal as it is the same circuit. Slope works on this unit, but there are NO start amps or end amps, and it always starts at the lowest capable amperage, and ramps up from there. The upslope and downslope must be turned down or off to run the pedal normally or operational issues will occur.

Slope works on my unit in AC 2T mode. It does not in DC 2T mode. The Longevity TigWeld 200EX supports up slope and down slope in both AC, DC- and DC+ using 2T. The Longevity TigWeld 200EX does not support start amps or end amps unless you are in 4T mode. Miller Dynasty 200 and Lincoln V205T support up slope, down slop, start amps and end amps in all modes (AC, DC- and DC+).

[RichardH]

Slope works on my unit in AC 2T mode. It does not in DC 2T mode. The Longevity TigWeld 200EX supports up slope and down slope in both AC, DC- and DC+ using 2T. The Longevity TigWeld 200EX does not support start amps or end amps unless you are in 4T mode. Miller Dynasty 200 and Lincoln V205T support up slope, down slop, start amps and end amps in all modes (AC, DC- and DC+).

Interesting. So, what version of the 210EXT do you have? The one-knob version shown in the photos below (2014)? When mine (2013 model) is in 2T mode, you can't even set values for slope.

[Judgeless]

Interesting. So, what version of the 210EXT do you have? The one-knob version shown in the photos below (2014)? When mine (2013 model) is in 2T mode, you can't even set values for slope.

I received mine around June 2013 and it has two knobs. Everlast claims there are no rev numbers. I am an electrical Eng and know there are always rev numbers. Most devices post the versions of the boards on boot. This is what mine shoes.

075. 514 (1/2 sec)
070 907 (1/2 sec)
07A 01.2 (1 sec)

They also claim there are no default settings for the main menu and the hidden menu. Again as an Electrical Eng I know that is wrong. When the microcontroller is started for the first time it will contain default values. These values might change during test but there are default values. The numbers might change from rev to rev also.

On my unit I get up slope and down slop in AC mode 2T. In DC- and DC+ I cannot adjust anything but pre and post flow in 2T mode. I do not get start amps or end amps in 2T mode using any setting (AC, DC-, DC+)

[zoama]

I received mine around June 2013 and it has two knobs. Everlast claims there are no rev numbers. I am an electrical Eng and know there are always rev numbers. Most devices post the versions of the boards on boot. This is what mine shoes.

075. 514 (1/2 sec)
070 907 (1/2 sec)
07A 01.2 (1 sec)

They also claim there are no default settings for the main menu and the hidden menu. Again as an Electrical Eng I know that is wrong. When the microcontroller is started for the first time it will contain default values. These values might change during test but there are default values. The numbers might change from rev to rev also.

On my unit I get up slope and down slop in AC mode 2T. In DC- and DC+ I cannot adjust anything but pre and post flow in 2T mode. I do not get start amps or end amps in 2T mode using any setting (AC, DC-, DC+)

So your entire problem is that you don't want to release the torch switch while welding ?

[Judgeless]

It is very clear that you work for Everlast based on all your posts.

http://weldingweb.com/showthread.php...11#post4234711

[RichardH]

I received mine around June 2013 and it has two knobs. Everlast claims there are no rev numbers. I am an electrical Eng and know there are always rev numbers. Most devices post the versions of the boards on boot. This is what mine shoes.

075. 514 (1/2 sec)
070 907 (1/2 sec)
07A 01.2 (1 sec)

They also claim there are no default settings for the main menu and the hidden menu. Again as an Electrical Eng I know that is wrong. When the microcontroller is started for the first time it will contain default values. These values might change during test but there are default values. The numbers might change from rev to rev also.

On my unit I get up slope and down slop in AC mode 2T. In DC- and DC+ I cannot adjust anything but pre and post flow in 2T mode. I do not get start amps or end amps in 2T mode using any setting (AC, DC-, DC+)

I'm with you on the concept of defaults (I design with microcontrollers for fun), but there's no concept of a "reset to factory defaults" here so the initial weld settings aren't too relevant (except perhaps the hidden menu). That said, here's what I find on a unit from the Feb2014 batch... I think you'll be excited.
075. 514 F
070 907 F
07A 01.2 F
So, what would appear to be firmware versions are the same.

With pedal connected, I'm unable to change any slope values in 2T mode, or switch to 4T, since it detects the pedal.

With pedal disconnected, I *am* able to set upslope and downslope times in 2T, in both AC and DC- modes. In fact, the machine was set to 0.0s up and 1s down. Start/end amps aren't selectable. As a side note, although DC+ appears as a front-panel option, it's not possible to enable this mode.

I was going to do a test for you to confirm it actually behaves as set, but I discovered that I don't have a torch with a switch but no amp control (i.e., mine all look like a pedal to the machine).

If you really want defaults, I did record my hidden menu initial settings (before lowering the HF start amps), and I've only tweaked program 1.

Have you tried setting the options you want with nothing connected to the pedal connector? I.e., true 2T, not "pedal 2T".

(Incidentally, it later occurred to me that Matt's problem below might actually have been a missing connection in his pedal, causing the welder to not detect it as a pedal [causing this sloped 2T behavior combined with pedal amps, which was pretty crazy behavior] - his welder was sticking in HF start for the entire upslope period.)

Cheers,
Richard

[RichardH]

Ya know, I'm trying to be objective and ignore the emotion in this thread, but it's not easy when you ignore the help I've offered and instead continue stirring hostility over on WeldingWeb...

[performance]

Richard,
This isn't about him getting help. Mike offered it direct from day about day one. Zoama offered help as well.

[Judgeless]

I'm with you on the concept of defaults (I design with microcontrollers for fun), but there's no concept of a "reset to factory defaults" here so the initial weld settings aren't too relevant (except perhaps the hidden menu). That said, here's what I find on a unit from the Feb2014 batch... I think you'll be excited.
075. 514 F
070 907 F
07A 01.2 F
So, what would appear to be firmware versions are the same.

With pedal connected, I'm unable to change any slope values in 2T mode, or switch to 4T, since it detects the pedal.

With pedal disconnected, I *am* able to set upslope and downslope times in 2T, in both AC and DC- modes. In fact, the machine was set to 0.0s up and 1s down. Start/end amps aren't selectable. As a side note, although DC+ appears as a front-panel option, it's not possible to enable this mode.

I was going to do a test for you to confirm it actually behaves as set, but I discovered that I don't have a torch with a switch but no amp control (i.e., mine all look like a pedal to the machine).

If you really want defaults, I did record my hidden menu initial settings (before lowering the HF start amps), and I've only tweaked program 1.

Have you tried setting the options you want with nothing connected to the pedal connector? I.e., true 2T, not "pedal 2T".

(Incidentally, it later occurred to me that Matt's problem below might actually have been a missing connection in his pedal, causing the welder to not detect it as a pedal [causing this sloped 2T behavior combined with pedal amps, which was pretty crazy behavior] - his welder was sticking in HF start for the entire upslope period.)

Cheers,
Richard

Richard I do appreciate your help. I am on vacation Thur 5/29 thru Tues 6/3 in Boston. I would like to see your hidden setting values. Thanks.

[Judgeless]

If you really want defaults, I did record my hidden menu initial settings (before lowering the HF start amps), and I've only tweaked program 1.

Richard can you post them?

These are mine. I think I changed Arc start amps and advanced AC pulse. It was a long time ago.

D01= N/A {00.5)
D02= HF Arc start duration (.5-5 seconds) {2.0}
D03= HF Arc start frequency (10-100Hz) {50}
D04= HF Arc start amps DC (10-100 amps) {30}
D05= HF Arc start amps AC (15-100 amps) {40}
D06= N/A {1.5}
D07= Lift start current DC and AC (10-100 amps) {15}
D08= Torch trigger or amp control 4T function by type torch (00 = 4T 01 = 4T Normal) {00}
D09= Voltage Reduction Device for MMA/stick (00 = VRD off 01 = VRD on) {00}
D10= Pulse mode Standard or Advanced. AC is added to DC in Advanced mode (00 = Standard 01 = Advanced) {01}

[performance]

We've already said there are no default settings for these units. The defaults you find in the machine will be a result of the last person who ran through the program settings when live testing the unit. They can vary from unit to unit, or a cluster of them may have the same tester with a consistent setup/test style or it may be random. I've tested about 8 different units over time and each had a different setting on startup. Whatever setting used during the last stage of testing will be what is saved as the last setting.

And the last settings used may or may not be a workable setting depending upon whether the tester ran through the settings up or down after the physical weld test.

[Judgeless]

I still would like to see Richards settings.

[Kempy]

And the last settings used may or may not be a workable setting depending upon whether the tester ran through the settings up or down after the physical weld test.

Mark
Your right the settings on my 255EXT set on stick did not work but I did not know what rod or size they were using and my AC was very strange also the DC work on thin steel but I did not know if tester was testing steel or stainless or what. I just set them myself to what I wanted the tester was probably checking for how it saved the settings. I had 4 for stick 2 AC and 3 DC same with my MTS250S it was 5 stick, 1 Tig, 2 Mig and 1 Syn. Mig but all the memory numbers were used.

[Rambozo]

I can see the initial numbers being what is needed for the load bank test or some other test. Since there is no "reset to default" control, there would be no point in having workable initial settings. For all we know they are all zeroed out when powered up for the first time. You would have to see the programming code to know for sure. And since the initial settings are not spec'd for welding it really doesn't matter what they are.

[Kempy]

Rambozo
I think they have to set each number to something or the machine would not know what to do when it dose its self test on start up and go to nothing because you have to set it to something, there are know blank setting, it has to go to some type of setting the only thing that has off is the Pulse. I wish it had memory numbers I could use them or memory stick USB.

[RichardH]

These are mine. I only changed HF start duration (D02, was ~2.0) and DC start amps (D04, was ~30). Everything else is factory default.

D01= N/A {00.5)
D02= HF Arc start duration (.5-5 seconds) {5.0}
D03= HF Arc start frequency (10-100Hz) {50}
D04= HF Arc start amps DC (10-100 amps) {10}
D05= HF Arc start amps AC (15-100 amps) {40}
D06= N/A {1.5}
D07= Lift start current DC and AC (10-100 amps) {15}
D08= Torch trigger or amp control 4T function by type torch (00 = 4T 01 = 4T Normal) {00}
D09= Voltage Reduction Device for MMA/stick (00 = VRD off 01 = VRD on) {00}
D10= Pulse mode Standard or Advanced. AC is added to DC in Advanced mode (00 = Standard 01 = Advanced) {01}

[zank]

It's times like this I'm happy that my machine only has a polarity switch and a knob to set max amps. Keep practicing and you won't need the machine's help to prevent craters.

[Judgeless]

These are mine. I only changed HF start duration (D02, was ~2.0) and DC start amps (D04, was ~30). Everything else is factory default.

D01= N/A {00.5)
D02= HF Arc start duration (.5-5 seconds) {5.0}
D03= HF Arc start frequency (10-100Hz) {50}
D04= HF Arc start amps DC (10-100 amps) {10}
D05= HF Arc start amps AC (15-100 amps) {40}
D06= N/A {1.5}
D07= Lift start current DC and AC (10-100 amps) {15}
D08= Torch trigger or amp control 4T function by type torch (00 = 4T 01 = 4T Normal) {00}
D09= Voltage Reduction Device for MMA/stick (00 = VRD off 01 = VRD on) {00}
D10= Pulse mode Standard or Advanced. AC is added to DC in Advanced mode (00 = Standard 01 = Advanced) {01}

RichardH, Thank you for posting that for me.

[rabler]

New 210EXT "replacement" just showed up today. I'd gotten one in May but it died after about 2 seconds of welding. The one today is the newer one-dial model, generally looks like an all around improved setup. Includes a power plug on the cord, and a 120VAC adapter to plug it into a standard 15A 120V outlet at about 50% welding capacity according to the manual.

[wileyone123]

Newbie here......gotta start somewhere!

My NEW 210EXT will be 'In the Mail' (so to say) this next week...im quite excited about it

I see, from a pic that Alex sent me, that there is no Advanced Sine waveform, like on the 255EXT....whats up with that?
Also, no 'Easy Start' either.....whatever that is/does.

From other posts that i hv read, i believe the Sine wave sounds/functions similar to the Old Transformer tigs.
Im anxious to learn more about this machine...and hear what others hv to say about these functions....and what their purpose/function is....and if its really needed on the New 210EXT (altho they probly not gonna add it now tho).

I must say, so far, the knowledge, professionalism and willingness to answer all my questions, has been OUTSTANDING from the team at Everlast.

thnx guys!