Wanting to trade a 250EX for a Powertig 185DV.

[Rambozo]

The lack of accessories is what tips the balance to me. Your $300 is even a little light at current Everlast MSRP. If it was turnkey complete, I think the price would be ok. But obviously someone thought otherwise.

$129.00 Torch 26
$45.00 Regulator
$35.00 Ground lead
$49.00 Stick lead
$89.00 Pedal
$347.00 Total

[performance]

Blaster,
There are multiple records of sales occurring of our products listed here on this forum by several customers themselves watching sales. Maybe you haven't seen them. But they retail high. Even broken/damaged units.

You are missing several parts of the equation and don't understand the economics of it. The reason resale is consistently high, is 1) Newer prices are going up. 2) To buy a TIG welder with 250amps anywhere for 1000.00 with features is impossible warranty or not. 3) Our boards and components are not expensive and in most cases the units are relatively inexpensive to fix by comparison...even if you could find a Miller Dyasty at 1000.00, it would be broken and out of warranty and take another 1000.00-1500.00 or more to fix it. so that gets back to its still a good value in peoples minds. Even if it has an issue a couple hundred will likely fix anything that is wrong with it, and it still beats out 1700.00 for a new 250EX...or a broken or out of warranty Dynasty for 1500.00 4) What it boils down is not necessarily the cost of a new versus old welder from Everlast, it can be for a person the difference between having no welder, or having a welder...regardless of brand...

[performance]

You also don't take into account the fact that the guy may already own one or more Everlasts and is picking up a spare...or may already have the equipment he needs or wants to go with it if he is already in business and was just completing the package...or that he planned to "upgrade" all these components anyway with SSC or CK products. It could have also been a parent looking to start his kid off welding and let his kid pick up the "balance". There's all sorts of reasons I can think of that aren't that strained to think up.

Here's a 200DX well on its way to selling well too and its from a salvage facility it looks like: http://www.ebay.com/itm/PowerTIG-200...p2054897.l5660

[Blaster]

Blaster,
There are multiple records of sales occurring of our products listed here on this forum by several customers themselves watching sales. Maybe you haven't seen them. But they retail high. Even broken/damaged units.

You are missing several parts of the equation and don't understand the economics of it. The reason resale is consistently high, is 1) Newer prices are going up. 2) To buy a TIG welder with 250amps anywhere for 1000.00 with features is impossible warranty or not. 3) Our boards and components are not expensive and in most cases the units are relatively inexpensive to fix by comparison...even if you could find a Miller Dyasty at 1000.00, it would be broken and out of warranty and take another 1000.00-1500.00 or more to fix it. so that gets back to its still a good value in peoples minds. Even if it has an issue a couple hundred will likely fix anything that is wrong with it, and it still beats out 1700.00 for a new 250EX...or a broken or out of warranty Dynasty for 1500.00 4) What it boils down is not necessarily the cost of a new versus old welder from Everlast, it can be for a person the difference between having no welder, or having a welder...regardless of brand...

You also don't take into account the fact that the guy may already own one or more Everlasts and is picking up a spare...or may already have the equipment he needs or wants to go with it if he is already in business and was just completing the package...or that he planned to "upgrade" all these components anyway with SSC or CK products. It could have also been a parent looking to start his kid off welding and let his kid pick up the "balance". There's all sorts of reasons I can think of that aren't that strained to think up.

Here's a 200DX well on its way to selling well too and its from a salvage facility it looks like: http://www.ebay.com/itm/PowerTIG-200...p2054897.l5660

NONE of that answers the Question as to WHY anyone would trade $200 for a New Machine with a 5yr warranty.

I care Nothing about Miller (you keep wanting to compare Apples & Oranges) I'm saying that exact machine can be bought on eBay right now for another $200 (or less maybe with a "Best Offer") and Not doing that, I just can't imagine being the right choice.

You just have to agree that spending 12% More for Brand New & Warranteed makes sense to you too over years old/stripped/no coverage (or are really so into carrying the-company-water you can't admit that.....?)

[zoama]

I'm pretty sure the original owner's accessories will fit and work with the 200DV but are they compatible with the 185DV ?

[performance]

Blaster,
I cannot imagine why you are trying to be so confrontational. My answer does answer it...you just don't want to accept it. It's as if you don't want the welders to have much worth or value based off what you think you know and feel about the product in general. Obviously you are missing something.

You are in the position of arguing with the facts, the results as they were. I offered you an explanation, that has been turned over to me by people looking for units that are used or refurbished. I have talked to dozens if not hundreds of people over the last 5 years about this, and they all want the same thing. You can't imagine it in YOUR head, but plenty of people can and do understand. IF you have 1000.00 to spend and pay.... and that is all you have and you need something, you will spend the 1000...not 1100 dollars or 1001.00. Inci

You don't understand that people wanting to TIG and are not brand loyal and don't have a TIG see spending 1000.00 as a minor risk as opposed to buying the same machine for 1600.00 or more. This is a 250EX we are talking about. You will not be buying a NEW 250EX for 1200.00 or 1400.00 or 1600.00 if that is all you have to spend. (If you find one for 1200, or 1400.00 then it is not a legitimate retailer or a new unit). Offers are usually not accepted for less than 5% of full retail value...depending upon the unit IF they are accepted. Occasionally we accept slightly more if the unit is overstocked...but that is rare these days.

Some people will buy a unit and save up 6 months before they get more money to buy extra accessories. The purchaser may have already had the accessories....Why pay more for a back up unit if you already have all the accessories you need? There are many scenarios that make this make sense. You just can't swallow the reality so you are in denial I guess...Not sure what else to call it. 200.00 is not much to you but it is to a lot of people including me...which is almost my average power bill each month. I can think of a lot of things to do with that money.... So? I get it and it doesn't work? I'm out a couple hundred dollars more to get it fixed if it is out of warranty when I can afford it, and still won't be quite the cost of a new one. But buying from a guy who seems reputable and with him having already babysat it through the "buggy" period over when things are more likely to go wrong...it does make plenty of sense.

You see a unit on a link I posted at the 50% mark of the unit when it was brand new with 3 hours to go. If it stops there, then that is still a good deal IF it were from a individual, but this is from a salvage facility. So obviously the units have value, if nothing else as a backup, spare or parts machine. This unit has no accessories either.

Beave....for what it's worth, I've shipped several unit like this economically via US mail...With their shipping, tracking and insurance, you probably can ship coast to coast for the guy for 60.00 or so...just guessing from my experience.

[Blaster]

Blaster,
I cannot imagine why you are trying to be so confrontational. My answer does answer it...you just don't want to accept it. It's as if you don't want the welders to have much worth or value based off what you think you know and feel about the product in general. Obviously you are missing something..

I don't mean to be "confrontational", and I don't have Any kind of "wish" as to ANY welders value.

Lets' forget Welder and just say Widgets - how's that?

Does it make ANY sense to buy an old used widget with no warranty and have to spend 35% More on it to bring it within 12% of a New one?

Anything at all - TV - DVR - Oscilloscope - whatever?

You are in the position of arguing with the facts, the results as they were. I offered you an explanation, that has been turned over to me by people looking for units that are used or refurbished. I have talked to dozens if not hundreds of people over the last 5 years about this, and they all want the same thing. You can't imagine it in YOUR head, but plenty of people can and do understand. IF you have 1000.00 to spend and pay.... and that is all you have and you need something, you will spend the 1000...not 1100 dollars or 1001.00. Inci

I guess it just can't relate to someone who's got $1300 and not $1500 and, again, willing to give up so much to save the difference...

You don't understand that people wanting to TIG and are not brand loyal and don't have a TIG see spending 1000.00 as a minor risk as opposed to buying the same machine for 1600.00 or more. This is a 250EX we are talking about. You will not be buying a NEW 250EX for 1200.00 or 1400.00 or 1600.00 if that is all you have to spend. (If you find one for 1200, or 1400.00 then it is not a legitimate retailer or a new unit). Offers are usually not accepted for less than 5% of full retail value...depending upon the unit IF they are accepted. Occasionally we accept slightly more if the unit is overstocked...but that is rare these days.

No EVERLAST 250EX - http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odkw...:MEFSRCHX:SRCH $1484 OBO

Is there something illegitimate about the seller????

Some people will buy a unit and save up 6 months before they get more money to buy extra accessories. The purchaser may have already had the accessories....Why pay more for a back up unit if you already have all the accessories you need? There are many scenarios that make this make sense. You just can't swallow the reality so you are in denial I guess...Not sure what else to call it. 200.00 is not much to you but it is to a lot of people including me...which is almost my average power bill each month. I can think of a lot of things to do with that money.... So? I get it and it doesn't work? I'm out a couple hundred dollars more to get it fixed if it is out of warranty when I can afford it, and still won't be quite the cost of a new one. But buying from a guy who seems reputable and with him having already babysat it through the "buggy" period over when things are more likely to go wrong...it does make plenty of sense.

You see a unit on a link I posted at the 50% mark of the unit when it was brand new with 3 hours to go. If it stops there, then that is still a good deal IF it were from a individual, but this is from a salvage facility. So obviously the units have value, if nothing else as a backup, spare or parts machine. This unit has no accessories either.

Beave....for what it's worth, I've shipped several unit like this economically via US mail...With their shipping, tracking and insurance, you probably can ship coast to coast for the guy for 60.00 or so...just guessing from my experience.

I guess I'll just NEVER understand the buyers logic. He's either really uninformed (but all he'd have to do is Search the rest of eBay) or he's so broke, as you say, the $200 is his breaking point. But really, TIG welding isn't for someone that "broke" - is it?

[performance]

I don't mean to be "confrontational", and I don't have Any kind of "wish" as to ANY welders value.

Lets' forget Welder and just say Widgets - how's that?

Does it make ANY sense to buy an old used widget with no warranty and have to spend 35% More on it to bring it within 12% of a New one?

Anything at all - TV - DVR - Oscilloscope - whatever?



I guess it just can't relate to someone who's got $1300 and not $1500 and, again, willing to give up so much to save the difference...



No EVERLAST 250EX - http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odkw...:MEFSRCHX:SRCH $1484 OBO

Is there something illegitimate about the seller????




I guess I'll just NEVER understand the buyers logic. He's either really uninformed (but all he'd have to do is Search the rest of eBay) or he's so broke, as you say, the $200 is his breaking point. But really, TIG welding isn't for someone that "broke" - is it?

1484. is Closer to 1500.00 and with shipping over 1500.00. That's more than 200.00 difference in 1000.00 by my math. And probably more than that because shipping probably won't be that much if he goes USPS or is not all the way across the country. If he calls in and needs all those accessories, we can give him a package price break...or he may already have them. And we even have customers using them on CNC type equipment so the accessory thing may be moot to begin with.

As far as the comment about being broke...I've been there and can fully sympathize with someone's attempt to take a moderate gamble to get out of a hole financially. This may be something that can do it. I don't try to second guess someone on their decisions to try better themselves except for people trying to do a rebranded pyramid scheme.

[zoama]

Will the 250EX accessories that he kept work with the 200DV and the 185DV ?

[Rambozo]

Will the 250EX accessories that he kept work with the 200DV and the 185DV ?

Probably not without some tweaking. I think the DINSE size will be wrong, and maybe the pot in the pedal, too?

[performance]

Probably not without some tweaking. I think the DINSE size will be wrong, and maybe the pot in the pedal, too?

Since the 185 is less than 200 amps, it does use the 25 series connectors. I think we may have some separate connectors available...but the new unit will come with that. The 185 "officially" can use either pot, but I think there is some slight difference in feel when starting at low amperages.

[The_Beave]

Beave....for what it's worth, I've shipped several unit like this economically via US mail...With their shipping, tracking and insurance, you probably can ship coast to coast for the guy for 60.00 or so...just guessing from my experience.

Thanks for the shipping feedback. I'm going to box it up today after work and shop around for the best shipping deal. I'm still waiting to be paid. Fun.

I usually but used stuff. All my precision measuring tools are second hand. I don't buy new cars. I was watching that auction but decided against bidding as I haven't gotten paid for the one I'm selling yet. I'm aware I'll have to spend some money on new DINSE connectors and I will be paying for an SSC pedal, as, honestly, the Herman Munster pedal that came with the 250EX was really, really clunky, though it did work well enough for me to get work done.

*shrugs* I'll likely put the extra money into a new 200DV, as with the sale of this machine, the money I put into the new setup will be less than the cost of the 160STH I was considering buying just to knock out some simple stainless work I am behind on, but now I'll have everything I need in a package I can use much more often. That's all I want. I'm not a complicated dude most of the time.

[performance]

That machine Sold 611.00...on a weekday. Not bad for a salvage store as an unknown, untested unit without any accessories. that sold for a little over 1000.00 to 1100 new.