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AMPTroll torch for my 250ex machine needed.
Hi I have posted about this before but the thread was short lived. I am paralyzed from waist down and need an hand held amptrol for my torch and I can't seem to find one anywhere. Everlast #18 Remote Control Water Cooled Tig Torch seems to be out of stock and it's been out for over a month and CK doesnt make an amptrol for the 250EX. Any recommendations?
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The only two solutions that come to mind, are to build your own, or build an interface to use the 10K CK model and adjust the signals to suit the 250EX. I believe it's just using the 47K as a 0-5 voltage divider, so the 10K model might work ok out of the box. Might not be 100% linear in the control, but could work good enough. If not, there are a few easy and not so easy ways to make some adjustments to suit. Everything from just adding some trimming resistors, to a full blown microcontroller solution.
And another option is to chop up your pedal and make it into something that you can use. In confined spaces I've used a pedal under an arm, or even leaned my head on it under a semi trailer. While not ideal, it could get the job done.
I scratch built my current finger controller and have been pretty happy with it. Should be a post on it somewhere around here.
One thing I forgot, is the with longer up and downslope settings you can pulse the standard torch switch and get pretty fine amperage control by going into and out of the slopes. A lot depends on the kind of jobs you are doing.
Last edited by Rambozo; 03-07-2015 at 06:02 AM.
Long arc, short arc, heliarc and in-the-dark!
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I know Everlast makes a EV 26 with finger control-
http://www.everlastgenerators.com/pr...tion=node/1346
to fit my Powertig 250EX, but I own and prefer smaller WP-20 torches over european handles- has anyone found simple solutions to buy and fit Everlast ohms?
250ex?
Thanks,
Andy Brott
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Yeah,
Everlast has the EV 26 amptrol/torch as a complete assembly, as Brottworks mentions. I have it, and like it OK. It's a handful in its size, but it's a very good value, which is a feature in all Everlast products. It has cool a feature that seem rare, in that the arc initiator is a separate button from the rotary dial pot that adjusts the amperage. So, you can use it with, or, at least I can, on my Digital 210EXT, with a dual pedal/4T setting, so that there is no need to actuate a slide or rotary action each time you lite up. I like that, so I can just use 4T, as initially I leave the dial to 10, to start at max amps, then dial down as needed or as a manual downslope. But I'll usually program the downslope as part of the 4T function.
I haven't used that torch too long, because I got interested in another hand amptrol solution from CK. It's their new SteadyGrip/Pistol unit. And even though CK hasn't developed it for anything beyond Miller, Lincoln, and Tweco units, which take 1K, 5K and 10K pots and have different connector styles than Everlast, there is one vendor that seems to have developed a SteadyGrip solution for Everlast users. So, I went ahead and bought one a few weeks ago, after I saw the Mr. TIG video demonstrating it being used by the vendor/TigDepot. Apparently I'm the first person to purchase one of these for an Everlast machine, as there was a little confusion if usable on Everlast machines. I even did a video on my own YouTube Channel to share that it does in fact work.
Anyway, the below listed SteadyGrip unit from TigDepot works great! Just don't set upslope or downslope when using it, and leave starting/ending amps on the panel (if you have those settings) to minimum. Otherwise it functions like a pedal. The pot vale on these are 25K, and works fine on my 47K Digital machine. The Analog Mr. TIG approved 200DV Everlast unit apparently works with it too, since it is listed in the headed for it, and it is a 47K Evilest unit too.
So, take a look at the video by Mr. TIG. I"m really enjoying the SteadyGrip with my 210EXT. Apparently Mr. TIG is wiring these up for Everlast, AHP, and Longevity welders, since CK Worldwide seems to neglect the import segment of the market somewhat. So, TigDepot seems to be the sole source of these for us import users. Thanks, Mr. TIG!
There's another guy on the forum here that is getting, any time now, a SteadyGrip for his PowerPro 205S, I believe it was. And if you get one for your 250EX, I think then we can be pretty well assured that the SteadyGrip is pretty usably across the Everlast TIG welder spectrum. Won't that be nice! One thing to note, though, since the slide action isn't return-spring like a pedal, is if you don't return it to the start position when there's no arc, the panel amps will show a 805 code, which is normal, and apparently prevents emitting needless HF.
Please let us all hear what you actually do purchase and how well it serves as a solution for you.
Peace,
C. Livingstone
http://tigdepot.net/cart-products-pi...-200dv-15-4559
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Christian is right, I just ordered one for my PP205. Will report back once I get it.
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Hey,
So did you see anything new, different, or interesting at Fabtech, that seems relevant to Everlast users or in general, BuggyChief?
Peace,
C. Livingstone
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Just got the CK Steady Grip for my PP205. Just had a chance to run some beads and it works fine. The pre flow/post flow works great and it runs great. I did a run at 100 amps and then again at 195 amps and all is good so far. I plan on using it tomorrow and will report more findings. As you sound the amps don't read out on the machine, but the action at the tungsten and metal work great so far. Only tried for about 10 minutes and all seems fine with the CK Steady Grip for the PP205. I too ordered from TIG Depot and to quote Christian, "come on in, the water is fine"Originally Posted by Buggy Chief
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I only stayed about 2 hours. Really like the new 3M speedglass 9100. It has more of an amber tint than green tint. As i shared before, I Talked to CK and they are less than enthused to help an Everlast owner, due to variance in machines within the Everlast line. They said they could custom make anything I wanted until they found out I had an everlast machine. Finally, really was impressed with the Strong Hands booth. Specifically their top end Siegmund line. to actually put the clamps in your hand and try them, they were top notch and no comparison to the lower end stuff. I ordered some clamps through Trick Tools as no one sold anything at the show, only through dealers. They are offering 10% and free shipping for the FABTech special. I got the clamps that fit the 16mm hole as I have the entry level Strong Hand Welding card with 16mm holes spaced 55mm apart. Jody from Weldingtips and tricks just posted his FABTECH update video as well.
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The BuildPro is 5/8" on 2" centers, while the Siegmund are either 16mm on 50mm centers or 28mm on 100mm centers.
Long arc, short arc, heliarc and in-the-dark!
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Hey,
Nice to hear about the SteadyGrip working well on a PP205. I really dig mine, with the 210 EXT. And I'm guessing that it will also work especially well with PowerTIG 185 models, since they're 25K pedal machines, I believe.
I'll check for the new WeldingTipandTricks video of Fabtech 2015. Too bad about the CK attitude toward Everlast user. But, no matter, as Mr. TIG at TigDepot seems to have helped Everlast users on the matter, regardless of those lazy CK Worldwide corporate bureaucrats.
Maybe we'll hear soon, about that 250EX user, with his comments about the SteadyGrip being a good solution for him. Wheee!
Peace to you all,
C. Livingstone
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Cool,
Here's that Fabtech 2015 overview:
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Build Pro makes a few different tables. Here's the one that I have...that has the 16mm holes(from website).
StrongHand Tools® FixturePoint Convertible Welding Table
Tabletop Size: 36" (900mm) x 24" (600mm)
Table Height With Leg Frame: 34" (860mm)
Table Height Without Leg Frame: 6-1/4" (158mm)
Diameter of Table Holes: 0.63" (16mm)
Grid Pattern: 2" (50mm) x 2" (50mm)
Tabletop Material Thickness: 0.16" (4mm)
Weight: 67 lbs (30kg)QUOTE=Rambozo;58253]The BuildPro is 5/8" on 2" centers, while the Siegmund are either 16mm on 50mm centers or 28mm on 100mm centers.[/QUOTE]
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Build Pro makes a few different tables. Here's the one that I have...that has the 16mm holes(from website).
StrongHand Tools® FixturePoint Convertible Welding Table
Tabletop Size: 36" (900mm) x 24" (600mm)
Table Height With Leg Frame: 34" (860mm)
Table Height Without Leg Frame: 6-1/4" (158mm)
Diameter of Table Holes: 0.63" (16mm)
Grid Pattern: 2" (50mm) x 2" (50mm)
Tabletop Material Thickness: 0.16" (4mm)
Weight: 67 lbs (30kg)
QUOTE=Rambozo;58253]The BuildPro is 5/8" on 2" centers, while the Siegmund are either 16mm on 50mm centers or 28mm on 100mm centers.[/QUOTE]
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The 16mm vs. 5/8" is so close that for most welding type applications it doesn't really matter. But the BuildPro's are imperial while the Siegmunds are metric, and the conversions used in the marketing materials are only approximations. ie. the 2" to 50mm, is a pretty rough conversion. So for setting up fixtures, that error will matter pretty quickly. Count over 10 holes and you will be off about 5/16" (8mm) One nice thing is that StrongHand does have complete CAD models you can download for all their fixturing.
As long as you know what the native units are, it's not a big deal, but when you start using rough conversions, that's when you get into trouble.
Long arc, short arc, heliarc and in-the-dark!
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**UPDATE** The Everlast PP205 does read amps being used based on the slide control of the CK Steady Grip**. Works Great!
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Nice!
Yeah, I'm guessing that Everlast may carry the SteadyGrip for their machines at some point, as the options listed on the Everlast website for the 210EXT even suggests that a "NEW finger control" is available.
I wouldn't mind seeing some 25K PowerTIG 185 owner try one on their machine.
So, don't you find the SteadyGrip to be surprisingly... "steady"? Ha, ha, ha...
Peace,
Christian
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